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Steph · « **Reply #11360 on:** June 29, 2013, 08:49:08 AM »

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I was not complaining about cookbooks that use lots of butterand sugar, just a woman who was on Foodtv and reveled in using lots of stuff like that for a whole year, when she knew she should not. Too many people follow her and use her recipes. I am certainly not against woman as a sex,but individual women ...yes,, some of them are creepy beyond belief.. If you feel you are for all women, does this mean Sarah Palin an Michelle Bachman.. Oh please tell me no.

JeanneP · « **Reply #11361 on:** June 29, 2013, 05:08:20 PM »

Other than her cooking and giving talks I don't think she got involved in things were employees will hurt she had lots of mgr. along with her sons doing that restaurants and sales.people will still eat if the food good. That's up to the chef's. if the like the items sold under her name will still buy. The will just be under another name . It's not like she manufactured them.
Laugh when I see stars on t.v pushing things and people thinking they own the companies.

JeanneP · « **Reply #11362 on:** June 29, 2013, 07:33:14 PM »

Just on the News. They have canceled the printing of Paula Dean's new cookbook that was suppose to come out in October. The are really slaughtering that women. Has to be another reason than what they are saying caused it.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #11363 on:** June 29, 2013, 08:02:52 PM »

She was in far more than her Restaurant and cooking - she had more going and more large investors than even Martha Stewart who had to let half of her employees go.

Paula has several TV shows and her sons had a TV show who are affected by all of this - with sponsors pulling out the TV shows may not go on since those investors that remain cannot fill the investment needed. She holds 2 Emmy awards - she had only launched a ready made line with lighter ingredients - she has Paula's Pantry in retail stores and her bimonthly magazine Cooking with Paula Dean - all requiring backers and investors who are pulling out because of the publicity -

She tours the nation and she has a couple of cruses a year. The cruses continue since she uses ships who are now filling in using their personal - she was in partnership with Smithfield farms and they disconnected that relationship. She has been in partnership with her sons and other family members in many restaurants including one in Las Vegas as well as other smaller casinos in the south. She has a line of cookware and dishes, food products, sauces, spices and bakery goods, a complete line of furniture and greeting cards.

Her philanthropy including being on the board of a Home for Boys - America’s Second Harvest - with Smithfield Foods she was running Helping Hungry Homes that donated Smithfield meat for over 10,000,000 meals for America’s hungry.

Walmart will no longer stock her food lines, Smithfield pulled out as did most of her large supporters and so yes, there will be lots of layoffs for innocent folks whose jobs are gone because the media, comedians and pundits decided to crucify this woman.

Frybabe · « **Reply #11364 on:** June 29, 2013, 09:48:19 PM »

Absolutely unbelievable. It just keeps snowballing.

I heard that many more whites are horrified at the N word than blacks.

MaryPage · « **Reply #11365 on:** June 30, 2013, 08:13:21 AM »

I believe the rush to annihilate Paula Dean is a male thing. As FryBabe points out, why not Alex Baldwin?
Take a woman, any such woman, Martha Stewart or Oprah Winfrey or whomever, who creates their own empire with their own talents and know how, and the males of this planet will zone in like a pack of mad, disturbed hornets and tear her to pieces, or attempt to, at the very first bugle call.
I speak in mixed metaphors here, but you KNOW what I mean. We have all seen it over and over through our lifetimes.

Frybabe · « **Reply #11366 on:** June 30, 2013, 08:52:08 AM »

You may be on to something there, Mary Page. These are all high powered, high profile women. What about those who keep a lower profile, are there any? Who else runs such empires but are low profile?

ginny · « **Reply #11367 on:** June 30, 2013, 09:12:13 AM »

If you read the deposition which is online you can see there are other issues. Workplace issues about sexism and racism. It's unfortunate. Apparently her attorney did not prepare her well for the deposition or she failed to understand what was wanted. Depositions are tricky things. Not a good time to expand or expound on anything, no matter who you are. Happens to all of us, running the mouth at the wrong time.

But there are other issues and they do involve women, just not in the way we are characterizing it here.

Steph · « **Reply #11368 on:** June 30, 2013, 09:16:41 AM »

I really dont agree about Paula or Martha and the men after men. The investments in both cases were male driven and a lot of male jobs were lost. In both cases, I seem the women as decidin they were smarter,better,more driven than anyone male or female. Martha is well known for being horrible to women that work for her. Paula went nuts with the tie ins. If you area good cook.. stick with it, have a restauran, write a cookbook. I make it a firm policy. I never ever buy anything that is branded by any chef.. or my linens or anything. I willgo to their restaurants and buy a cookbook if I really really like their food. but their pots and pans.. good heavens do you realize that I have heard women say they buy Paula Deens pots because that is what she uses. Who are they kidding.

Frybabe · « **Reply #11369 on:** June 30, 2013, 10:21:29 AM »

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Who are they kidding.]

Themselves!

jane · « **Reply #11370 on:** June 30, 2013, 11:43:55 AM »

It's going to be interesting to see what the suits do if it's true that requests for her cookbook, that they've apparently now decided not to publish, continue to rise.;it's said to be #1 on Amazon. What a problem for the suits.

But in a sign that Deen could make a comeback, her upcoming cookbook "Paula Deen's New Testament," which features "lightened up" recipes, shot to the top of the Amazon books best-sellers list this week on pre-orders for the Oct. 15 release. And her "Southern Cooking Bible" is No. 2 on the list.

http://www.mercurynews.com/entertainment/ci_23559160/soaring-book-sales-signal-possible-comeback-paula-deen

MaryPage · « **Reply #11371 on:** June 30, 2013, 03:07:19 PM »

A Fort of Nine Towers: An Afghan Family Story
by Qais Akbar Omar
I read a wonderful review of this book in today's The Washington Post, and I plan to purchase and read it.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #11372 on:** June 30, 2013, 04:39:31 PM »

good read written by a black women http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/thank-you-paula-deen-showing-us-america-not-post-racial-society?akid=10641.271994.5UTENx&rd=1&src=newsletter862458&t=21&paging=off

JeanneP · « **Reply #11373 on:** June 30, 2013, 05:03:19 PM »

I still think that there has to Bemore to the story of just using the "N" word . Like lots of other things that happen in this USA . The public will be the last to know. That word has been slipped inmany times over the years . Comedians in clubs . Books written. Such a big thing would not be going on over it for this women. It has gotten a bigger story than anything done in finance,politics,divorces,child murders.etc. does not make sense to me. Truth should be told. But let's not hold our breath.
At least other countries not bothering about it. Most probably making fun of us.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #11374 on:** July 01, 2013, 08:18:02 AM »

There could be that it smacks too much of the old saying she should keep to her knitting - it is OK for Ralph Lauren to have branched into men and children's wear - to furniture - bedding - china crystal and silverware - perfume - decorating = designing for the US Olympiads shoes, tennis shoes towels and bathroom accessories creams and lotions which all started with women's wear. and so I would think anyone into cooking or homemaking and has a board of directors will also branch into associated products. I think we are looking for a way to justify what has happened and that is how women end up still having to fight for her place at the table and is so easily put down.

Steph · « **Reply #11375 on:** July 01, 2013, 08:45:13 AM »

Wont buy anything that Lauren brands either. I simply do not care for the idea that just because someone is famous, they have good taste. Just not true. Martha who is having a blast with this hunt for love is agood example of going way too far.

ginny · « **Reply #11376 on:** July 01, 2013, 08:53:46 AM »

Unfortunately the new issue of People Magazine also contains another 2012 regrettable example of her humor, if an example of "put downs" is wanted.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #11377 on:** July 01, 2013, 09:10:25 AM »

Well I confess to purchasing anything used by Jacques Pépin, and years ago when I was buying furniture it had to be Hendredan and my sheets were Wamsutta so I guess we all have our idea of what is quality. I even have a Ralph Lauen comforter that I bought in a garage sale - well made and lasted - I have it now for over 15 years. I'm thinking folks making purchases can depend on a name they trust as having a good product.

Frybabe · « **Reply #11378 on:** July 01, 2013, 10:14:23 AM »

Ah, Jacques Pépin. Years ago I subscribed to a food magazine, forget which one, Pépin had a monthly how to article. They were the best food prep instructionals I had ever seen with clear instructions and pictures throughout. I used to make a kneaded savarin cake (don't recall using a mold), and home made pasta, but never got around to buying and cutting up a whole squid. I still have one of his cookbooks on my shelf.

salan · « **Reply #11379 on:** July 01, 2013, 11:03:03 AM »

I am reading Flight Behavior by Barbara Kingsolver. I am half way through and it is very good. She does have a way with words!
Sally

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #11380 on:** July 01, 2013, 11:41:37 AM »

Haven't read that one Sally - she does write a good story - what is this one about - or rather where does it take place.

jane · « **Reply #11381 on:** July 01, 2013, 12:05:45 PM »

I found this interesting. I first saw the link at Goodreads, and I think it points beautifully to what we do here:

from: LINK to full article from which a bit is below :Study: Reading novels makes us better thinkers

Fortunately, new research suggests a simple anecdote for this affliction: Read more literary fiction.

A trio of University of Toronto scholars, led by psychologist Maja Djikic, report that people who have just read a short story have less need for what psychologists call “cognitive closure.” Compared with peers who have just read an essay, they expressed more comfort with disorder and uncertainty—attitudes that allow for both sophisticated thinking and greater creativity.

“Exposure to literature,” the researchers write in the Creativity Research Journal, “may offer a (way for people) to become more likely to open their minds.”

jane

salan · « **Reply #11382 on:** July 01, 2013, 05:30:10 PM »

The book takes place in the rural mountains of Tenn. Dellarobia, the heroine, discovers masses of monarch butterflies covering the trees up in the mountains. The story goes on to bring in scientists to study this pattern change in the habits of the butterflies. The poor locals are now having to deal with the outside world in a way they never imagined. Very well written & holds your interest.
Sally

mabel1015j · « **Reply #11383 on:** July 02, 2013, 01:33:49 PM »

That does sound interesting.

Jean

Steph · « **Reply #11384 on:** July 03, 2013, 07:27:17 AM »

Book sounds good. I thought Kingsover wrote exclusively about the uppper mid west and Indians and their exchanges with others.. Shows what I know.
Wamsutta is a good brand, not connectedwith any cooks or fashion designers. I like brand items of good quality, just not ones that are simply branded because the person is famous.
I loved Julia Child and have ever single cook book andmemoir of her, but I would not buy a branded item from her either.

mabel1015j · « **Reply #11385 on:** July 03, 2013, 12:10:02 PM »

The two history channels are having interesting programming today and tomorrow and Booktv has an interesting schedule from tomorrow thru the weekend.

http://booktv.org/Schedule.aspx

Jean

ANNIE · « **Reply #11386 on:** July 03, 2013, 12:38:19 PM »

I just finished two books by Mary Alice Munroe, one entitled "Daughter of the Butterflies" which is a story about the Monarch and its leaving the east coast of America every year(plus Canada) and settling in the Sierra Mountains in Mexico.

http://www.maryalicemonroe.com/site/epage/115643_67.htm

We (Seniorlearn folks) have met Mary Alice as she graciously met with us on the Isle of Palms near Charleston in 2005. She is big on conservation and has written several books on saving different species== turtles, bees, sweetgrass. I truly loved the butterfly novel. Very well researched, as all of her books are. I also read her "Time is a River" which is about fly fishing, breast cancer and an old murder. Delight filled and also well researched.

ANNIE · « **Reply #11387 on:** July 03, 2013, 12:47:10 PM »

Having had a long talk with my southern friend at lunch yesterday about Paula Dean, I still don't know what all the falderall is about. CNN devoted a whole hour on the "N" word on Monday night. My friend says there is "a bug in the wood pile" concerning this downfall of a very well known, successful, wealthy lady. I did not know that she existed until this uproar began and personally I don't care. Does anyone see the we are not discussing any of the important happenings all over the world while we obsess over this? Is the media running America and the world or what?

mabel1015j · « **Reply #11388 on:** July 03, 2013, 12:55:05 PM »

I read an article on Paula and her brother Bubba that gave detail of the things they, particularly Bubba - but in Paula's restaurant - said and did to Black's in their employ and I finally understood why the companies are bailing on her, it is much more than saying the "N" word.

http://blacklegalissues.com/Article_Details.aspx?artclid=7dfdbe0461

Here is another perspective that includes the sexism and sexual harrassment going on in their restaurants.

http://nursingclio.org/2013/07/03/no-paula-deen-its-not-just-men-being-men/

Jean

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #11389 on:** July 03, 2013, 03:13:45 PM »

So far this is hear-say to fuel the fire until we have a hearing and judgement - the work is very hard in a restaurant and there are dress codes by law as well as by the owner - however, if this does turn out to be true than Paula and Bubba have a lot to take care of to clean up their act.

Surprising they only include Bubba what about her two sons and her uncle that all have successful restaurants with Paula as co-owner. If they have no law suite than what does that say about Paula - in one restaurant she is a good employer and in another she is not - or are we talking trusted, but not supervised every day, managers who are guilty and since she is an owner she gets the publicity.

mabel1015j · « **Reply #11390 on:** July 03, 2013, 06:52:44 PM »

Maybe her sons are better managers then she and Bubba. I think the info is from the depositions from the law suit against she and Bubba.

ANNIE · « **Reply #11391 on:** July 03, 2013, 10:10:10 PM »

Thanks for those links, Mabel
I read both and found them more informing than CNN's "N" program. Well, it looks like this is more serious than I thought buuuut my southern friend is sure that this is a liberal governmental suit. Again, I just can't care.

Winchesterlady · « **Reply #11392 on:** July 03, 2013, 11:13:18 PM »

Here is a link to the deposition. I also wondered for a long time why there was such a fuss about her admitting to something she said 30 years ago. After reading her own words, you will understand what all the fuss is about. Here is the link:

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2013/06/entertainment/deen-deposition/

MaryPage · « **Reply #11393 on:** July 04, 2013, 08:45:09 AM »

Have a Glorious Celebration of this grand day for us all!

Steph · « **Reply #11394 on:** July 04, 2013, 09:22:17 AM »

Whew,,, the deposition ... I have read maybe half of it thus far and she cannot be that stupid, so she is shall we say, edging the truth about her brother for sure.

Winchesterlady · « **Reply #11395 on:** July 04, 2013, 10:27:05 AM »

Steph -- It does make you see everything in a new light, doesn't it?

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #11396 on:** July 04, 2013, 05:34:57 PM »

It is easy before the court case is heard for anyone to fall into Arthur Miller's play, The Crucible -

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Not even those individuals who society believes are invested with God’s will can control the whim of the populace.

The idea of guilt by association is central to the events in The Crucible, as it is one of the many ways in which the private, moral behavior of citizens can be regulated.

An individual must fear that the sins of his or her friends and associates will taint his or her own name. Therefore, the individual is pressured to govern his or her private relationships according to public opinion. To solidify one’s good name, it is necessary to publicly condemn the wrongdoing of others. In this way, guilt by association also reinforces the publication of private sins.

mabel1015j · « **Reply #11397 on:** July 04, 2013, 10:22:32 PM »

This is not "guilt by association" as i see it. She is the CEO of the corporation and part owner of the restaurantin which the harassment was taking place. Therefore she has liability. Either she's lying,or she's developing dementia, or she's high. Nobody who is in business can "not remember" so many details as she in answering questions about her business. She's all over the place in her answers.

But, all of that is not important to anyone but those who have been involved. As was said in a headline "its not like she struck down the Voting Rights Act." it is just another snapshot that tells us we should not forget that those kinds of things are definitely happening in this country. So many people are sheltered from the "meaness" that still exists even here in the USA. I keep hearing people say "really? That really happened? That was really said? The cop really treated you that way? Your boss said/did that?" unfortunately, the answer is still "Yes!"

I really could get depressed, but i can balance those actions with some major progress, which keeps me hopelessly optimistic.

I do wish the prosecution in the Zimmerman case would stress more how frightened a 15 yr old black kid in a white neighborhood could be about some man following him, and that he had every right to be there and to "stand his ground" as well as Mr Zimmerman had.

Back to books, i'm liking Robb's Delusion in Death more and more. This may be the best writing i've seen from Nora Roberts in a long time (or the best from whomever is writing her books, as we've commented before that she can't possibly have written ALL these books. I think this is #35 just in the J.D.Robb series. ) She's weaving in a lot of Eve's psychological and physical background and having Eve maturing out of the emotion and does it in a clever story.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #11398 on:** July 05, 2013, 01:07:06 AM »

Ouch - "which the harassment was taking place" said like it is fact - as if the court has spoken and it is judged as fact. hmmm that to me is folks assuming and the public passing judgement - regardless what side we come down on her that is the part that seems to me goes beyond the pale. This accusation made fact is why I see her being crucified and treated differently than a male CEO with similar accusations - I do not know of any male head of a company that this kind of publicity was enacted based on an accusation so that he lost a great part of his business.

Steph · « **Reply #11399 on:** July 05, 2013, 09:16:52 AM »

Since even she danced around and admitted that there was pornography in the workplace meeting and it was from her brother,, she has to be complicit in harassment.
I loved that J.D.Robb.. She has turned the two main characters into an interesting pair for sure. Still raining in North Carolina, I amthinking of an arc..Yesterday ran into apoliceman walking down the street in the middle of a really horrid storm, said, I would think you would be in the car and he laughed and said, no he was going to find a boat..

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