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Re: The Library
« Reply #14600 on: January 31, 2015, 09:37:31 AM »

The Library
Our library cafe is open 24/7, the welcome mat is always out.
Do come in from daily chores and spend some time with us.

We look forward to hearing from you, about you and the books you are enjoying (or not).


Let the book talk begin here!


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« Reply #14601 on: January 31, 2015, 09:49:10 AM »
hahhaa Tome, I should have seen that coming. I find that I don't have many recent photos of self, no use to put up something not recent, this is about all I've got:  here's one from a couple of months ago of my grandson John, about to turn 8 years old (and so TALL!!), and me.  I am tall so that gives you some idea:   but i'm not sure any features can be seen.

Here's one from a year or so ago which may be clearer. If my DIL had not taken these two I doubt there would be any of me.  

This NYC trip was a smash. He loved it, absolutely loved it and that was my goal. I've got about 1,000 photos  of him there. :) He loved the Met, I knew he would, and you can see the headphones. One thing that really surprised me was the Museum of Natural History.  They don't have audios. As many children as pass through there in a day, I mean we saw literally hundreds upon hundreds in groups,  the opportunity there  is staggering. Reading those old dusty labels gets old, and it's a wonderful museum. Happily his mother was up for the label reading and some of the displays are mind boggling without it.

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Re: The Library
« Reply #14602 on: January 31, 2015, 01:31:22 PM »
Ths is my firs time in the library, although. I am often in other sites on Senior Learn.  I am an 80 year old  widow, disabled, and living alone.  I can no longer drive, so I am home bound.  I miss being able to drive.  My entire social life is limited to the internet.  I look forward to getting to know all of you.

Sheila   

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Re: The Library
« Reply #14603 on: January 31, 2015, 04:18:25 PM »
Glad to see you Sheila - as  you can see this is not exactly a shush-quiet-we-are-reading library but then it really isn't a Starbucks either - hope you are happy with us - we share our latest reads and broaden our horizons in the process.
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Re: The Library
« Reply #14604 on: January 31, 2015, 04:19:58 PM »
Hi, Sheila!

I recall seeing your posts elsewhere here in the past, but I'm delighted you've come here, too.  There are a lot of interesting  people posting here.

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« Reply #14605 on: January 31, 2015, 04:31:17 PM »
Found this and it knocked my socks off... all these years here on Senior Learn we've been shifting mental pathways, increasing activity in the right hemisphere of our brains and because many of us are into crafts or stitching we have been regulating our attention and emotions as well as, we have improved our mood and brain health - wow - cool - Hurray for us...

Read Literature That Challenges You

Many of us love to read—hey you’re doing it right now! But did you know that reading something “challenging,” such as Shakespeare benefits your brain and your mental health? Brain scans show that the more challenging prose and poetry set off far more electrical activity in the brain than reading works that are “easier” to read and use more conventional and predictable language.

“Reading serious literature shifts mental pathways, helping to create new thoughts, shapes and connections in the young and the staid alike,” says Philip Davis, an English professor who has combined efforts with Liverpool University’s magnetic resonance center to study the effects that reading William Shakespeare, William Wordsworth, T.S. Eliot and others has on the brain.

Read More Poetry

The same research also found that reading poetry, in particular, increases activity in the right hemisphere of the brain, the area connected to “autobiographical memory.” Poetry helps us reflect on our own experiences and compare them to what we read, and it lights up the part of the brain concerned with language. “Poetry is not just a matter of style. It is a matter of deep versions of experience that add the emotional and biographical to the cognitive,” said Professor Davis.

Not only that but there’s some evidence that poetry affects our brains in the way that music does. You know that sensation you get when you hear a song you really connect with? It turns out that the same areas of the brain that are aroused by music are set off when we read poetry. This might have something to do with the musical aspects of poetry—rhythm, tone, and word usage.

Get Crafty

Some experts equate the benefits of crafting-induced flow with the experience of meditation. It’s like a kind of “mental exercise” that helps regulate your attention and emotions. Whether you’re building furniture, making cute little dogs out of boiled felt, or restyling your wardrobe with origami coats, crafting can put you into a physical state of deep relaxation that alters your physical and emotional responses to stress.

Crafting combines self-expression, creative improvisation and problem-solving with mindfulness, which slows down your breathing and can decrease heart rate, blood pressure and muscle tension.

Building, sewing, throwing pottery, even gardening and doing home repairs activates your brain’s reward centers to release dopamine, a neurotransmitter that’s sometimes described as a natural antidepressant. Another important factor is how these activities can build community, which is known to be one of the best antidotes to depression. Think of all those people who sell their crafty wares on Etsy—how blissed out they must be!

Keep On Stitching

Studies show that people who are part of a knitting community report  “greater perceived happiness” and improved social contact and communication with others, which is linked to improved mood and brain health.

Knitting has been shown to have significant psychological and social benefits as well as therapeutic potential by helping people self-manage things like stress, depression and long-term illness and pain.

Use Your Hands

Being involved in any meaningful creative task that requires using your hands, according to physician- writer team Carrie and Alton Barron, can help elevate your mood, stimulate your senses, and foster internal well-being. They recommend fitting 20-30 minutes in every day.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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Re: The Library
« Reply #14606 on: January 31, 2015, 05:31:56 PM »
Hurray for us is right, Barb.


Hi Sheila, I'm happy to see you dropping in again.

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« Reply #14607 on: January 31, 2015, 08:10:57 PM »
Hi, Sheila.  I've seen you in so many book discussions that I didn't notice you hadn't come in here.  The Library is sort of like Pooh-Bah in Mikado--Lord High Everything Else.  We can get pretty serious at times, but we're all over the map.  Lots of random chatter about what we're reading, and here's where we vent when things aren't going well or share when they are.  So it's a good place to keep up on friends (that's all of us) and meet the newcomers.  Just about any subject is fair game here.

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« Reply #14608 on: January 31, 2015, 08:40:31 PM »
ah - just read on the BBC news

Actress Geraldine McEwan dies aged 82
Actress Geraldine McEwan, known for playing Agatha Christie sleuth Miss Marple on ITV, has died January 30, aged 82.

I think many of us remember her from this bit included in the article. We read Lucia and I think we passed around through the mail a copy of the series - if not I know I have seen it.

McEwan was also well-known for her role as Emmeline "Lucia" Lucas in Mapp And Lucia, a television series based on three 1930s comedy of manners novels by EF Benson.
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« Reply #14609 on: February 01, 2015, 10:41:13 AM »
Oh I'm sorry to hear that, she was magnificent in Lucia tho not much like the book's Lucia, but once you saw her in it there could not have been another Lucia...you could never forget her...those little noises. I am so  sorry, apparently a stroke in October. Well they're both gone then, she and Georgie (Nigel Hawthorne). How lovely to have them on film so you can revisit them forever.

 Shelia, how lovely to see you here! We know you well from the other book discussions as Pat says,  so glad to see you here.

Love that report on reading, Barbara, thank you!

In about a week we're going to discuss The Lady of Shalott here if we can manage to spell it correctly, (I've been spelling it like the onion....quick, which is it? Shalott, Shallot or Shallott?) and I do hope some of you will take a moment to look in. It's a very short poem, takes about 5 minutes to read, but so much packed in those lovely lines. I don't think of Tennyson now without thinking of Judi Dench and Skyfall and those so memorable lines about aging..That was Tennyson, too. It's been too long since I read Tennyson and I'm thoroughly enjoying it now...Something old for the new year.

The Lady is  online and in the heading and is even a haunting song on top of it, but it evokes Camelot and knights in armor ...as symbols? If so, of what? And it evokes  something else  which we may in 2015 be very familiar with: isolation, self imposed. Or is it self imposed? That bright world  out there...but not for her?


The Lady is tied up, weighed down, like some of us feel from time to time. Is  it her fault? Is it ours?  We're going to look at what's said in the poem and see if we can bring our 2015 perspectives and ideas  to this old masterpiece. The good news?

 This is not a  class, there are no right or wrong answers, just your insights,  and people who know a lot more about it than I do  have been arguing over it for 150 years. Sounds like the perfect venue for a book discussion. :)

I've wanted to do this for years, just years. The time never seemed right. Why not now? I am hoping we'll have the same kind of experience we did in The Yellow Wallpaper discussion. If you were here way back when we did that one, you never forgot it, another classic and our own inimitable ideas borne of a lifetime of experience made it "one for the Books." I hope this will be the same.

It begins February 9th and runs till the 28th or when we run out of things to say.

Please join us, if you like.  Here's a link: http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=4559.msg242411#msg242411

Pull up a chair!





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Re: The Library
« Reply #14610 on: February 01, 2015, 11:53:29 AM »
hmm generally not into narrative poetry, but maybe just this once. Hi Sheila, did not realize you did not post in library. We do have fun.
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« Reply #14611 on: February 03, 2015, 09:06:46 AM »
Fabulous!! I am so looking forward to this, it's the first book club discussion I have led in ages and I hope it will  be just like a face to face one, we give our opinions, our ideas. Isn't  that what a face to face bookclub does?  Those of you in them  tell us how they go? Tell us exactly what happens? You come into the room, take some refreshments, and then...?

You...what...pick a point (I'll start us off in the Lady of the Onion, so called because I can't spell her name correctly) and then we'll all talk to each other about what each of the  others say, a conversation, just like the real thing. I can't wait, it's been sooo long.

 Sometimes You Feel Like a Nut, Sometimes  You Don't Department: I came in to say I am enjoying  a new (not new book tho) read of a book I saw on a best  list somewhere called The Two Faces of January.

It's a Patricia Highsmith and you know her as the author of the Ripley series. All of her characters seem to have a flaw...it's funny about Ripley.  I guess you'd have to call him a psychopath or sociopath, or whatever. In her books, you root for him. You're appalled at what he's doing but you understand why he's doing it, and you want him to win. That's not an easy thing for an author to pull off, but she does.

Sort of a willing suspension of disbelief. She's incredibly good at it, touching the dark side we all have. But it's funny,  I tried to watch the movie the other day and could not. A completely different experience. Matt Damon is good in the part, the whole cast is wonderful, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Jude Law, BUT I can't ...it's too real.... I can't watch it. But in her books you can read about it sort of dispassionately  as you get sucked deeper and deeper and without the visuals somehow the reality is suspended.

In the Two Faces of January the same thing happens. It shows how people to whom honesty is not the highest virtue and who are self absorbed can get caught in a web they can't get out of and keep going deeper and deeper. It's the embodiment of "oh what a web we weave when first we practice to deceive."

It's fascinating, in a clinical way and so far (and I am not far in it) I am enjoying it. Have any of you read it?

A couple goes to  Greece as tourists. The man however has been  working minor petty  scams with selling stocks which don't exist. Now that happened quite recently here in SC, big scandal, people cheated out of their life savings...not to mention the daddy of them all, Bernie  Madoff.

So we can't say these people don't exist.  What do we call them? Con men? Crooks? Sociopaths?  Anyway this one is young in his 40's and he  and his wife are touring Greece to get out of NYC for a while,  and  things start to fall apart by accident and they get deeper and deeper into the web.

It really is fascinating. You are half afraid of what will happen next because it appears that they are now in so deep how will they ever get out? How would the reader? I think that's one thing Highsmith does really well:  she presents a problem and as the reader you can't help thinking I would not have done that, I would have done this XXX but the character can't because the character is carrying  baggage which incriminates him. Or does it?

It's fascinating, so far. It may flub because I have never heard of it before now.

What are you all reading?




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« Reply #14612 on: February 03, 2015, 11:43:59 AM »
Unbelievable! Harper Lee's SECOND book coming in July!


http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/*/Article_2015-02-03--US--Books-Harper%20Lee/id-88d5a9cafafd4e6ebb7e6851af7cf9a3

Welcome Sheila.

I can testify to knitting lowering blood pressure. When i take my knitting to the waiting room of doc's appointments my bp is always at its best.

Jean

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« Reply #14613 on: February 03, 2015, 02:12:03 PM »
Jean, I just saw that on Facebook and was trying to remember the book our club discussed a while back on Harper Lee.  Can anyone remember the title?  I did not see it in our archives.

http://cir.ca/news/harper-lee

Okay, I found the book our club read!   It is:  Mockingbird  A Portrait of Harper Lee by Charles J. Shields

I wonder why it is not in our archives.  It was a very interesting book, I really enjoyed it.  I remember wondering where she and Truman Capote ended up with their friendship, and the question as to if he actually wrote To Kill A Mockingbird, and if that was why the friendship ended.
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« Reply #14614 on: February 03, 2015, 09:09:38 PM »
Found this little nugget today ---

"Did you know that reading fiction can help you understand people better? Researchers David Comer Kidd and Emanuele Castano have shown that reading fiction helps you to develop a Theory of Mind for other people. In order to access these benefits, the researchers recommend reading literary fiction:

    Unlike popular fiction, literary fiction requires intellectual engagement and creative thought from their readers. “Features of the modern literary novel set it apart from most bestselling thrillers or romances. Through the use of […] stylistic devices, literary fiction defamiliarizes its readers,” Kidd and Castano write. “Just as in real life, the worlds of literary fiction are replete with complicated individuals whose inner lives are rarely easily discerned but warrant exploration.” "

Here is a link to one of the articles about research done by Kidd and Castano about reading

http://phys.org/news/2013-10-literary-fiction-mind-reading-skills.html

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« Reply #14615 on: February 03, 2015, 09:24:29 PM »
I saw a short news feature tonight about the new Harper Lee novel.  It said she actually wrote this one before she wrote "To Kill A Mockingbird" and it's about Scout as an adult.

Not too long ago,  I read a non-fiction e-book titled "The Mockingbird Next Door' by Marja Mills.  The blurb on my library site reads in part:

"... ("To Kill A Mockingbird's) celebrated author, Harper Lee, has said almost nothing on the record. Journalists have trekked to her hometown of Monroeville, Alabama, where Harper Lee, known to her friends as Nelle, has lived with her sister, Alice, for decades, trying and failing to get an interview with the author. But in 2001, the Lee sisters opened their door to Chicago Tribune journalist Marja Mills. It was the beginning of a long conversation—and a great friendship.

 In 2004, with the Lees' blessing, Mills moved into the house next door to the sisters. She spent the next eighteen months there, sharing coffee at McDonalds and trips to the Laundromat with Nelle, feeding the ducks and going out for catfish supper with the sisters, and exploring all over lower Alabama with the Lees' inner circle of friends.

 Nelle shared her love of history, literature, and the Southern way of life with Mills, as well as her keen sense of how journalism should be practiced. As the sisters decided to let Mills tell their story, Nelle helped make sure she was getting the story—and the South—right. Alice, the keeper of the Lee family history, shared the stories of their family.

The Mockingbird Next Door is the story of Mills's friendship with the Lee sisters. It is a testament to the great intelligence, sharp wit, and tremendous storytelling power of these two women, especially that of Nelle. "

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« Reply #14616 on: February 04, 2015, 12:31:24 AM »
Callie,  In the link I provided it states Harper Lee actually was suing Marja Mills for writing that book.  She did not give her any information and did not approve her writing about her.

[Marja Mills] befriended my elderly sister, Alice. It did not take long to discover Marja's true mission; another book about Harper Lee… Rest assured, as long as I am alive any book purporting to be with my cooperation is a falsehood.
- Harper Lee


Unless I misunderstood her, the book Go Set A Watchman was written after To Kill A Mockingbird.

Lee states, "In the mid-1950s, I completed a novel called "Go Set a Watchman." It features the character known as Scout as an adult woman, and I thought it a pretty decent effort. My editor, who was taken by the flashbacks to Scout's childhood, persuaded me to write a novel (what became "To Kill a Mockingbird") from the point of view of the young Scout."                                                   - Harper Lee

Lee was unaware that the book still existed. It was discovered by the author's "dear friend and lawyer," Tonja Carter, in a "secure location where it had been affixed to an original typescript of "To Kill a Mockingbird," according to publisher Harper.

"Go Set a Watchman" is set in the mid-1950's, nearly 20 years after "To Kill A Mockingbird," and is set in Lee's famed Maycomb, Alabama. According to the publisher, the book will be released as she first wrote it, with no revisions.

I can't wait for the book to come out.
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« Reply #14617 on: February 04, 2015, 02:22:33 AM »


If the editor read the Watchman manuscript---completed in the mid 50’s----which had flashbacks to Scout's youth and persuaded Lee to write about that childhood instead, wouldn't the Watchman have had to have come first?  Mockingbird was published in 1960, I think.

The evening news, which may not have gotten it right, said this manuscript was attached to the original Mockingbird manuscript in a safe deposit box belonging to Alice.

I'm sure more details will be forthcoming.

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« Reply #14618 on: February 04, 2015, 06:27:01 AM »
Yes, Jane , thank you, once I reread Lee's quote, the book Watchman had to have come before Mockingbird. "

My editor, who was taken by the flashbacks to Scout's childhood, persuaded me to write a novel (what became "To Kill a Mockingbird") from the point of view of the young Scout."                                                   - Harper Lee
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« Reply #14619 on: February 04, 2015, 08:45:56 AM »
As more information surfaces, it seems that the manuscript was in a bank vault of  her sisters, attached to the original Mockingbird manuscript. Makes you wonder about her sister Alice.. Did she keep her sister (Nell, she is called) out of the spotlight for some reason or did Harper(Nell) give all up to her sister. Interesting.
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« Reply #14620 on: February 04, 2015, 10:18:57 AM »
That's the way I understood it, Steph.  Apparently Alice died and in settling her estate the safe deposit box was found...and the two manuscripts.  

I just found this from the Washington Post:

Alice Lee, an Alabama lawyer who was a confidante, housemate and gatekeeper for her sister Harper Lee, the elusive author of the classic novel “To Kill a Mockingbird,” died Nov. 17 at a nursing home in Monroeville, Ala. She was 103.Nov 18, 2014


http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/alice-lee-sister-of-to-kill-a-mockingbird-author-harper-lee-dies-at-103/2014/11/18/1d37b0c2-6f38-11e4-ad12-3734c461eab6_story.html



Harper is said to be 88, so an age gap there.

Some very odd "happenings" in all of this.  

Mockingbird was published in 1960 and won the Pulitzer in 1961.

Harper Lee didn't remember the first book which would have been perfect to publish after the book of Scout as a child?  

The editor didn't remember reading that book?

Alice, an attorney, didn't remember?

There has been so much talk about why not another book from Lee...and now this one that was finished long ago and nobody remembered it?

Are there lots of other unpublished manuscripts somewhere?

This sounds like the plot for a whole book or movie on just these events. ;)

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« Reply #14621 on: February 04, 2015, 11:01:28 AM »
I do not believe it is a lack of memory so much as just a perfectly ordinary turn of events for two unmarried sisters each extremely desirous of being out of the spotlight of fame in the greater universe and yet, at the same time, fully functioning members of their small home community.
Her sister was her lawyer AND guarded all that was her and hers, so it is perfectly logical to me that it was she who safeguarded the first and original book in her safe deposit box.
Harper thought the book a pretty good first effort, but, at the same time she felt approval from the publisher she submitted it to, she also felt it a second best, as she was promptly asked to write another book INSTEAD.  Instead of this first effort.  And the other book became a world wide favorite.  The big failure here, it seems to me, and it may never be known whether this is correct or not, is on the part of the publisher for not keeping at least a COPY of the manuscript and insisting upon publishing it after Mockingbird. Just my take on this matter;  but what do I know?

Son Chip and I stood out on the back bayside deck and just stared last night.  It is a sight we have seen many times before in the over 11 years I have been in this condominium, but it is ever new and beyond gorgeous. Fills me with wonder and awe every single time.

The night was made up of darkest navy velvet, the water and the bare naked trees blacker than ink.  Northward to our left the twinkling and steady lights of the two bay bridge spans, and across the vast waters some lights from the far shores of Kent Island.  A silvery sheen streamed across the seemingly empty void, making it clear from its wavering movement that this shimmering pathway covered swiftly moving liquid, not solid earth.

The moon lights a beacon untouched by the hand of man and unequaled by any efforts of our inspiration.

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« Reply #14622 on: February 04, 2015, 03:11:36 PM »
When we read the book,  Mockingbird  A Portrait of Harper Lee by Charles J. Shields, in our book club a while back, I personally got the strong impression, Harper Lee became a recluse, with possible mental illness, such as depression or bi- polar.

Jane, I agree with you, the questions you posed, could indeed be a book in and of itself answering these.  

How on earth does an author, her sister and her editor forget about a book she wrote, before To Kill A Mockingbird?  I seriously feel Lee wanted nothing more to do with the fame, and interruption that Mockingbird brought to her life.  The only explanation that seems logical to me is, Lee did suffer from an illness to prevent her from remembering the book, or it was kept in a safe place by her request.  

Again, after reading Shields's book, I felt Lee did not want any further recognition and notoriety in her life.  It became overwhelming to her, and disrupted the simple life she wanted to live.  An added question, I would place on your list is, where did Capote fit in with the writing or helping write the book?  He was like her mentor.  We know they had a rift, once the book was published, and Lee got so many accolades for it.

Oh dear.....I think Pandora's box has been opened here, and there are going to be so many more questions, than answers with this book coming out.  

Our book club will definitely have to place it on the, TBR list.
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« Reply #14623 on: February 04, 2015, 03:18:54 PM »
Bellamarie,   I'm taking the liberty of sharing the link to another article about Harper Lee's new book that MaryPage posted in Seniors & Friends.  It also contains information about the lawsuit with Marja Mills.  Please forgive me if I'm overstepping my boundaries.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/feb/03/harper-lee-new-novel-to-kill-a-mockingbird

Following the link highlighted in the paragraph the lawsuit leads to an article about Alice's "declaration".  It contains a link that leads to an article in 2011 tracing things back to Penguin, the publisher of Mills' book.

As the King of Siam would have said in the musical:   "Tis a puzzlement" (to which I would add "...and sure gets the publicity going"  ;) )

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« Reply #14624 on: February 04, 2015, 03:59:24 PM »
Just about everything I have ever read about the two childhood friends has indicated to me that Harper Lee was Capote's mentor, and not the other way around.  I think Capote became extremely jealous of Lee's huge success, albeit he was the more personally famous.  I seem to remember SHE helped HIM with In Cold Blood, and probably some earlier stuff, too.
I never, ever have had the sense that Harper Lee was in any way mentally ill.  On the contrary, I consider her more sane than most.  To have enough sense to abjure personal fame and long for anonymity show perfect sense to me!

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« Reply #14625 on: February 04, 2015, 05:13:11 PM »
Thank you for the link Callie.

After reading Sheilds book, I have to respectfully disagree with you MaryPage.  Lee became a recluse.  There was mental illness in the family, which is not a stretch to think Lee suffered from some form of mental illness.  It would not affect her ability to write, we all know great authors, and scholars suffered from bipolar.

" From the time she was small, Nelle knew her mother as an overweight woman with a host of demons, some of which resembled symptoms of what is now known as bipolar disorder.  The "gentle soul" of the household could become inexplicably upset or unaccountably happy at the drop of a hat.  On certain days, Miss Fanny "seemed withdrawn" to visitors: she might remain blank-faced in response to a greeting, as if she didn't know the person, or only nod in reply."  On other occasions she would veer to the opposite pole, her mind racing, words tumbling and gabbling out.  During these periods of mania, she even shouted instructions to people on the street.

The Lee's coped with Frances's "nervous disorder," as they preferred to call it, as best they could. 

"Nell was only twenty-five, not an adult long enough to have resolved the biggest emotional mystery of her upbringing, which was why her mother practically ignored her.  It was true her mother was beset by a "nervous disorder," as the family euphemistically called it.  But how far did that go in explaining the absence of normal attachments between parent and child?  What little Nelle knew about her mother, she seemed to later pour into the character of Aunt Alexandra in To Kill A Mockingbird....


She and Truman Capote were childhood friends.  They began writing together.  She helped him with research on his book In Cold Blood.  From Shields's book:   

"Unlike her lifelong friend Truman Capote (perhaps even because of his example and experience), Harper Lee have never appeared comfortable in the limelight. 

He referred to Lee as Capote's "research assistant."

As for Truman's part in Mocking bird the book states:

"Undercutting Nelle's achievements has been a persistent rumor since the book's publication and that Truman Capote wrote portions or all of it.  He did say, which Nelle never denied, that he read the manuscript and recommended some edits because it was too long in places."

In my own opinion, I think it would be safe to say the two of them helped each other out, being each others respective mentors, throughout their lives.  Capote did in the end hurt her feelings, which hurt their friendship.

I am sure we are going to be hearing many different versions, now that her book is coming out.

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« Reply #14626 on: February 05, 2015, 07:54:05 AM »
Still, her sister knew of the manuscript and did not try to see that one published. I think that Nelle... had problems of some type when young.. and I also wonder about the age difference in the two sisters.
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« Reply #14627 on: February 05, 2015, 09:41:02 AM »
Yes, Steph the sister Alice, only died this past November 18, 2014.  She knew of the manuscript and where it was kept.  I have been reading many articles since the news of this book coming out, and continuously it is said, Harper Lee in nearly completely blind, and can not hear, and has a difficult time communicating.  Yet those who are anxious for this book to be released such as her lawyer, and editor are speaking for her.  Her lawyer Tonja, is the one who supposedly found the book, going through the sister Alice's safety box, after her death.

There is much enthusiasm, as well as skepticism, about this book.  How do we know it is the original?  Lee is not physically or mentally capable in her health to read this entire manuscript, and if she forgot it even existed, then she surely would not have the memory if it has been altered in any way.  Again, we only have the word of those who are to gain financially by the release of it.  As excited as I am to read it, I am growing more suspicious of why now?  Her editor says he only learned about it yesterday.  He says he has had no contact with Lee in over eight years, and since she has had several strokes.  He said it is not possible to call her and have a conversation with her because of her deafness.

Here is a recent interview with her editor:

http://www.vulture.com/2015/02/harper-lee-go-set-a-watchman-editor.html?mid=twitter_nymag

As exciting as it is to have Lee's book be published, I hope it is not behind her back, without her cognitive approval, and it is in no way altered, being passed off as an original.  But then how would anyone know, since Lee is not able to confirm anything due to her health.   The sister had it all these years....so why didn't it get published before this?

Lots of unanswered questions, and we have only others who can speak for Harper Lee.

Here is another article:  Penguin Press released a handwritten letter from Alice,

http://www.vulture.com/2014/07/decline-of-harper-lee.html  

"In responding to Lee’s new letter last week, Penguin Press released a handwritten letter Alice Lee wrote to Marja Mills in 2011. It read, in part: “When I questioned Tonja” — her onetime protégé, inheritor of A.C. Lee’s firm — “I learned that without my knowledge she had typed out the statement, carried it to [Nelle’s apartment], and had Nelle Harper sign it … Poor Nelle Harper can’t see and can’t hear and will sign anything put before her by anyone in whom she has confidence. Now she has no memory of the incident … I am humiliated, embarrassed, and upset about the suggestion of lack of integrity at my office.”

Tonja does not seem to be someone who could be trusted to have Lee's best interest at heart.

This pretty much sums things up:

Whatever Wayne Flynt’s suspicions about Marja Mills, he agrees with Nelle’s latest biographer on one point: Silence has not served Nelle Harper Lee. “In the absence of her being willing to talk, the only versions we’ll ever have are other people’s versions.”
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« Reply #14628 on: February 05, 2015, 10:11:09 AM »
As I've read the comments and followed the links to various articles,  I've begun to wonder about the timing of all this - just a few months after her sister's death.

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« Reply #14629 on: February 05, 2015, 10:25:06 AM »
I agree Calli, it sure did not take the lawyer or publisher long to profit on this "so called original manuscript."  I am suspecting Tonja knew of it all along, and pounced as soon as Alice died.  We can see from numerous statements, Harper Lee is in no health or mental condition, to give her cognitive approval or legal consent.

It's seeming pretty sad.  To use Alice's own quote from her letter.....   

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« Reply #14630 on: February 05, 2015, 04:42:21 PM »
I really think, Callie, that the timing makes perfect sense, as her older sister had the original manuscript of BOTH novels in a safety deposit box in her name, and this box was not opened until some time after her recent death.  As Harper Lee's sister, possibly first named heir, and certainly lawyer with power of attorney, this is exactly what she SHOULD have done with these priceless items.  And Harper Lee herself has simply not thought much on such things, having happily dumped them entirely in her sister's keeping.

I also think conspiracy theories and panics proliferate wildly in this country. We tend to leap like fleas from excitement to alarm, one that loomed largest and fizzled out hugely recently having been the Ebola scenario, which called for most of us to be dead by now.

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« Reply #14631 on: February 05, 2015, 04:43:07 PM »
I just saw an ad at Goodreads for the new book....to be published in July.  So somebody ( or somebodies) sure didn't waste anytime.  I've also read Harper Lee is blind or nearly so and very deaf.  I hope there's somebody with integrity looking out for her interests...literary and financial.

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« Reply #14632 on: February 05, 2015, 06:13:49 PM »
MaryPage,  good comments and I agree about theories and leaping about with endless discussions about "ifs", "ands"and "maybes".... all said in a tone of voice that indicates intrigue and possible conspiracy.

I'd like to smack a couple of our local news people - who insist on starting every story with "You're not going to believe this!!" or "Listen to this.... :o".

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« Reply #14633 on: February 05, 2015, 07:00:16 PM »
I have always felt that Harper Lee kept on writing after Mockingbird.  She was certainly insightful and probably had to write for herself.  She simply did not want any more publicity attached to her.  I felt that more works would be found after her death.  No reason for this, just my own personal opinion.
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« Reply #14634 on: February 06, 2015, 12:27:55 AM »
Sally, I always liked to hope Harper Lee continued writing after Mockingbird.  It was her true passion since childhood.  I am a writer, and I could never see myself stopping.  The only way I could see Lee stopping, is if an illness prevented her from it.  I do hope as Jane mentioned, there is someone in her family that will watch out for her best interests.  Tonja going to Nelle behind Alice's back for the Mills book, brings her integrity into question.
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« Reply #14635 on: February 06, 2015, 11:54:24 AM »
Does anyone remember seeing this movie?  Wonderful tale about a young Truman Capote and his old ladies maiden cousins.  Wonderful story entitled "The Grass Harp".  Walter Matthau's son directed "The Grass Harp" a novella written by Truman Capote in 1950.   Lovely story!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grass_Harp
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« Reply #14636 on: February 06, 2015, 01:40:48 PM »
I'd not heard of it, Ann, but Netflix has it.  And an all star cast.  Walter Mathou is in it, Piper Laurie, Joan Plowright, Roddy McDowell.  I'm putting it on my queue.

OOPS.  They have it in their queue, but not availalbe to view right now.

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« Reply #14637 on: February 06, 2015, 02:04:33 PM »
Great movie and if you see it as allegorical you could even see bits of Harper Lee and her sister.
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« Reply #14638 on: February 06, 2015, 04:05:09 PM »
Saw the movie.. I think that if Harper Lee had known what a commotion the book would cause, she would never have published. For some reason she seems to have genuinely hated all of the stuff written about the book and movie.
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« Reply #14639 on: February 06, 2015, 06:35:39 PM »
Never heard of this movie Annie.  I hope I will be able to see it.   

Steph, I tend to agree with you, considering she chose to be a recluse after the book brought her so much publicity.  This could in fact be the very reason the Watch book was never published. 

Barb, That is interesting, I will watch for it.  We know Scout was Harper, and her friend Dill in Mockingbird, was based on her childhood friend Capote.

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