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Re: The Library
« Reply #20960 on: May 04, 2020, 01:12:32 PM »

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Re: The Library
« Reply #20961 on: May 04, 2020, 01:13:15 PM »
Rosemary, I don't know if the pattern of your masks makes it easy, but what about ironing them after they've been washed?  That would surely cook the virus proteins.

Thanks for printing all those quotes from The Village.  What a hoot.  I especially liked "She's a lady, as far as one can tell, with Americans".  Alas, it seems to be unobtainable here except for high prices for used paperbacks. 

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« Reply #20962 on: May 04, 2020, 01:53:42 PM »
So many books out now with stories built around WWII - mostly showing social change that we did not realize at the time - however, I think many of the books show an inaccurate picture of the day - they do not show how after the war women were squashed as they hadn't been since before WWI - they had more freedom not only during the war but in the 30s and 20s  -

There is a series showing on PBS, World on Fire that shows a young unmarried women pregnant while singing for the troops - my Mom had my brother in '46 and my sister in '48 - when my brother was born it was still unseemly for a pregnant women to be seen in public - once Mom showed I had to do all the shopping - and in only the next 2 years it was OK and I even remember my Mom and Dad going to the movies when she was pregnant with my sister  - no clothes on the rack for pregnant women but again in the next 2 years  when the 50s rolled in there were those full tops with little peter pan collars and a skirt that had a large hole and a cloth strap that went from the hole to the waist and the waist was ties - but all to say, it is a bit of fantasy to think a pregnant women could be on stage - she could not even be seen in the bigger grocery store - It was OK to be seen in the small local grocery that carried only basics but even going to church was iffy. In fact after the birth of a child a women had to go through a church ceremony where she was 'cleansed??!!??'  before she could attend mass again. OH boy do I remember how that riled up my sister-in-law in the 50s

And the idea of a single unmarried women even letting anyone know she was pregnant - now that is really a fantasy. She would be lucky if she could even keep the baby after it is born. If she was lucky and came from a family who approved, the baby could become her younger sister and the child would be left with her mom if she were later to marry.

Well back to now, in a matter of a couple of days we went from a cold wet Spring to June weather with Temps in the mid 90s - looks liek a repeat of last year.

My Daughter called yesterday and she or rather Gary is on the razor's edge with the computer store in South Carolina and they live just over a half hour away in North Carolina - evidently SC is open with everyone out shopping in malls etc where as NC is still battened down with masks and social distancing and only essential stores open and so Gary kept the computer store as if in NC with folks banging on the door wanting entry - if they had a computer needing repair he had them bring it around to the back door and he has not brought his staff back to work - we are pretty much open here and within Austin proper there is a more concern about going out and about - I don't get out that much anyhow so I have not seen how it is being handled except I do know there are still the long lines to get into the big grocery stores since they are still limiting the number shopping at any one time. Can't do it - waiting in line then walking all over the store looking for a substitute for what I need - my legs get too tired and I"m napping when i get back and for most of the following day.

Since we had all the doctors and scientists saying the sun kills the virus in a minute or less I'm thinking at this point everyone would be better off getting out in the sun - but then the more I read the more I learn any illness or virus does not attack and indiscriminately make folks ill - the body has to be ready as a host for a virus which means the body where the immune system is low is a prime host.   Sounds like we all need to learn how to build up our own immune system.

I'm tired of every waking moment, even if I purposely try to forget or change my thinking that this virus is like a damp dark cloud that has descended on my every thought - I'm doing a lot of reading - cannot even settle down to watch a movie much less do any clearing out that was going to be my big effort this Spring.  Something I read got me triggered to learn about system's thinking and the death of a society - they system's thinking is fascinating and I'm learning a lot - the best book that I'm learning so much from is  Systems Thinking For Social Change: A Practical Guide to Solving Complex Problems, Avoiding Unintended Consequences, and Achieving Lasting Results by David Peter Stroh 

The book goes into how with linear thinking most of our social initiatives do not get the job done - we look at things like homelessness as if by simply supplying a home that will have people no longer living on the streets where as there are so many more factors that if not addressed we waste money arranging for housing - on and on with feeding the hungry to addressing drug addicts - the efforts prove over and over to fail because there are many parts to each problem or system. Even if no problem, it is strengthening the connections between as small as one part that makes the positive difference. I've also read  Think in Systems: The Art of Strategic Planning, Effective Problem Solving, And Lasting Results by Zoe McKey. Good but I like Stroh's book better - maybe because I had read several books about System thinking and so I could get into it without having to rearrange my way of thinking and understanding - although, he does summarize points with some helpful graphics. 
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Re: The Library
« Reply #20963 on: May 04, 2020, 06:03:50 PM »
Info on washing cloth masks:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-to-clean-fabric-coronavirus-face-mask_l_5e8f6e5dc5b6458ae2a5cab1?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIWU1uw0bon5xUHSU9c2dGhGuWKEI0PJa-5uHTW5-oEXrZTTr5SI70t3i6h51hqgn6VSdVNkYwbA1LJo49PRq62T8JOqR78SyWyHPzSbJaUIDqbNOJkNPpiRQWuHSk5W9MS0Im6YIsmD_ZVHTcmrtBPen2nucS4LFbdIyw6DgLnW

I have been washing mine after every use, with very hot soapy water and letting it air dry in the sun.  After reading this, I may start drying it on high heat in the dryer. 

As for your elastic, here is a chart conversion link:
https://www.metric-conversions.org/length/centimeters-to-inches.htm

By my calculations, using the conversion chart, these are your sizes in inches.
31.5 cm length x 1cms  white = 12.20"  X  1/4"  (1) masks
63cm x 1.5 white                   = 24.81"  X  1/2"  (2) masks         
80cm x 2cm                          = 31.5"    X  3/4"  (2) masks
121.5cm x l.75cm                  = 47.65"  X  1/2"  (3) masks
105.5c x 1.5cm                     =  41.35" X   1/2"  (3) masks
Black  80.5cm x 1cm             =  31.5"   X   1/4"  (2) masks
                                                   
In inches, also one more piece, 18 x one quarter inch.   (1) masks

By these measurements, and I am estimating, I can tell you that my pattern to make the masks that slip behind the ear, require elastic to be 6" in length, and you need 2 pieces for each mask.  The width of all these are just fine.  It looks like there is enough elastic to make 14 masks, with some leftover pieces of elastic.


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Re: The Library
« Reply #20964 on: May 04, 2020, 07:29:06 PM »
Barb, 
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And the idea of a single unmarried women even letting anyone know she was pregnant - now that is really a fantasy. She would be lucky if she could even keep the baby after it is born. If she was lucky and came from a family who approved, the baby could become her younger sister and the child would be left with her mom if she were later to marry.

Oh did this ever hit a nerve with me.  My older sister got pregnant when she was only seventeen years old, back in the early 60's.  My mother pulled us six siblings aside and told us we must not treat her any differently, no matter what others said about her.  I truly was so proud of my Mom for not being ashamed, and teaching us we are family and we stick together.  My husband's sister, who is in her eighties now, got pregnant out of wedlock at the age of twenty-one, back in the early 50's, her mother sent her away to a Catholic unwed mothers home in New York, and made her adopt the baby, in order to return home in Ohio.  Today, my younger sister's grandson's girlfriend gave birth to her baby in November, and they all live in the same house, four generations, and no one even blinks an eye at the fact the two are not married.  Times have changed.  The stigma and shame for the most part, no longer exists. I would never advocate having children out of marriage, because we know the statistics of what it does to children without stable homes, but, I also would not stand in judgement, especially toward the girl, because the guy seems to not bare the same as the girl. 

Barb, I think we are all getting to that fed up stage with this virus.  If I did not have these masks to keep me busy, I told my hubby, I would have gone stir crazy trying to get through these days.  I still am not comfortable going into large stores.  I refuse to, we do the click list, or run into the Dollar Tree, Walgreens or Foodtown.  In and out as fast as possible.  The Foodtown is in a neighboring small town just over our state line into Michigan, so there is hardly ever anyone there when we go, because we time it just right.  I keep telling myself, this too shall pass.....

Rosemary, I am also glad we decided to cancel the cook out with the kids and grandkids.  I just read an article today where a teen kept bringing friends home and now the entire family is infected, and a friend who brought them food ended up infected, and now her entire family has the virus.  We just can't take any unnecessary chances at our age. My son and daughter in law completely understood our decision in cancelling.  As much as I want the world to go back to what we call "normal" I am not willing to take the risk to hurry it up. 

Stay safe & stay healthy.
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Re: The Library
« Reply #20965 on: May 04, 2020, 07:38:49 PM »
Yep and I do not like that these stories conveniently disregard what women's experiences really were as they attempt to romanticize their stories - girls today have no clue and it was not that long ago...   I remember my Father saying to me that if ever I found I forget how he worded it but I knew what he meant that he would be there and I would be safe. My mother was looking on - at the time I never said anything but I knew it would not happen - I was one of the 'good' Catholic girls who did not fool around.
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Re: The Library
« Reply #20966 on: May 05, 2020, 02:38:36 AM »
Barb, I was one of the "good" Catholic girls too, didn't fool around, and lost a couple of boyfriends to the girls who did.  Que Sera, Sera....
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Re: The Library
« Reply #20967 on: May 05, 2020, 09:02:06 AM »
Thank you so much, Bellamarie, for the mask and elastic information!  I will pass all of that on to Madeleine.

Barb - I entirely agree with all you say about unwanted pregnancies in the past. One of my mother's older sisters (now deceased) became pregnant (I have never really been told the details) but although their family was very poor and not at all smart, they did not react as your family did - instead they all (siblings as well as parents) just about ostracised the poor woman, and even when I was a child they all still seemed to have an immense grudge against her, though I was not told why at the time. They were absolutely obsessed with 'what people would think' - I know that was a big deal in those days, but it's clear from your own family that some people could get over that. My own mother is now quite close to my cousin (the younger of this sister's two 'legitimate' sons, born after she was married - I have no idea what happened re the original pregnancy, whether an illegal abortion was obtained or the baby was born and handed over) and his wife, but isn't it awful that all that bitterness could last so long?

Unfortunately Mum's family was full of things like that, so many long-held grievances. By contrast, my father's family - equally, if not more, impoverished - had a very laid back attitude. My father was the son of my grandmother and her husband, but after the husband died in the flu epidemic of 1918, my grandmother had another son whose father remains unknown. (This is the part of the family that now lives in California.) No-one in that family has any issues with this at all - in fact my mother thought for years that my uncle didn't know about his ancestry, but when she finally thought she should tell him, he had known all along - my late grandmother had never kept it from him, and he is not bothered. My grandmother brought both boys up alone - it was a somewhat chaotic household but they were loved. In my mother's family love was always conditional.

It's also true that many children were brought up to think that their grandmother or aunt was their mother - there were so few checks in those days.

And re adoption - my uncle and his wife had some great tragedies with their own children, in that their first baby was stillborn, their second had brain damage and died after a few months, and the third was born with a deformed arm. (Though he is still very much alive, and this has not stopped him living a normal life.) After that they suddenly acquired a mixed race son - I don't think there were any formal adoption papers, he was probably just the baby of someone local (they lived in New Cross, which was home to a high number of West Indian families in those days) who was unable (or not allowed) to keep him. He was the loveliest child, so easy going and kind - and so far as I know he is still living with my uncle (my aunt died) in the US, he must be over 50 now. The strange thing was, after all those tragedies and then this 'adoption' they had a baby girl with no problems at all - again she is fine and living in the US.

There was an interesting programme on last week about Prue Leith, who is a very well known cook, writer, restaurant owner, businesswoman, etc here. She is one of the judges on the Great British Bake Off.  When she was first married in the 1970s her husband did not want children, as he already had 3 from his first marriage, and he was substantially older than Prue. In the end he caved in and they had a son, whom they both, of course, loved on sight (he is now a Member of Parliament apparently). A few years later Prue decided they should adopt a baby - so they acquired a tiny girl, Li-Dah, from Cambodia who had been put on one of the last flights out of Phnom Pen before the Khmer Rouge took control. Li-Dah is now in her 40s and a successful film maker with her own family, but she wanted to trace her roots - she had virtually no paperwork. What was most interesting about the whole thing was that Prue said she now feels terribly guilty for having cut her daughter off from all her cultural ties, but in those days that  is what happened - she felt, quite rightly, that they were able to give Li-Dah a wonderful life (which they did, and the daughter was very happy) and no-one ever even discussed any of the issues that are now so important. Prue and Li-Dah are immensely close, so they travelled together to Cambodia and tried to find her birth family. In the end they were unable to do so, but they then discovered that some of her distant relations are actually living in Long Beach, California, so she spoke with them by phone and is hoping to meet them soon. And while in Cambodia they did find one of the pilots who flew those last babies our of the country - the one who had taken her has now died, but they met with one of his colleagues, and it was so touching. As Li-Dah said 'without that man I would have died' - as the Khmer Rouge were indiscriminate in their killing of babies as well as adults, and many were slaughtered.

And Barb, I agree with you about dramas and books that do not show things as they really were. In the UK, any freedoms that came the way of women after the war were strictly for the middle classes; women in the kind of family I come from were indeed put straight back into their boxes, and I think my mother has been frustrated about this all of her life - she wanted so much more of an education and career than she was allowed to have. And if you have seen the film Vera Drake, that does not pull any punches about the position of unmarried mothers and the backstreet abortion trade, even some years later.

However, the book I talked about yesterday - The Village - does not seek to romanticise post-war life - it is about how things changed for the upper classes, and how they had to come to terms with not having it all their own way any more. Of course they mega rich were not affected, this is dealing with the 'upper crust' in a small village. And the daughter, Margaret, is now having to do a dead-end job that she hates because her snob of a mother won't allow her to do the one thing she loves and is good at - cooking - and would rather see her bored to tears and lonely, filling in forms for X-Rays at the local hospital, than doing something that she sees as a 'lower class' occupation.  They can't even pay for Margaret to have further training, as their funds have been so depleted, their business has (predictably as the husband is useless) failed, and all their money has gone into paying for the other daughter's schooling (as she is clever) and to buying gourmet treats from Fortnum's for the mother, as the doctor has ordered them to do this when she has a breakdown.

I recall that when I was a teenager my mother actually told me that if I ever got pregnant without being married she would throw me out. I don't know if she would ever have carried through with that, but it has stuck in my mind all these years - even though at that time the chances of my getting pregnant were precisely NIL, as I was at an all girls' school, had no siblings and was too scared to go anywhere except the library! I did not even have a boyfriend until I went to university. But such were the ideas that had been drilled into my mother by her own family - it was all to do with appearances, even though (or maybe because) they had nothing.

Thank goodness, despite all the problems in society today, most people no longer have these outdated and cruel ideas.

Rosemary

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Re: The Library
« Reply #20968 on: May 05, 2020, 09:04:20 AM »
PatH - that's a great idea about ironing genius!

I am sorry that the copies of The Village are so expensive. The cheapest here is the new edition put out by Persephone at £12 - some of the old copies available via Amazon are almost £50!  I had no idea when I picked this copy up that it was so valuable - I probably paid £1-£2 for it. It has been sitting on my shelf for ages, so I'm very glad I eventually picked it up.

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« Reply #20969 on: May 05, 2020, 03:15:11 PM »
I know we could keep on and on about this but I need to add Rosemary that it may seem today to be appearances and yes, it probably was to a degree back when all this squashing of women and secret pregnancies were going on there was social pressure - just as today it is social pressure that took the many out of being hateful in their speech about people of color or another completely different behavior that was changed buy social pressure is smoking - When we talk social pressure there would be fathers whose job advancement or even the job itself would be at stake if it was known he had a daughter pregnant out of wedlock and for sure many a minister or parish priest not only would not baptize the child but the mother would be refused communion and the child would not be admitted to a a parochial school. Also, any boys with a future would not date a girl who had a child out of wedlock - the word would get around and she would be considered chick bait. Had a neighbor when I was in High School and that was her tale so that she ended up with a total of 3 babies and committed suicide while they were still toddlers.

Lots of changes because of the war but this was one change really did not start to happen till the 60s - The war affected the entire social system and yes, as you said earlier - those who never had the comfort of enough money all of a sudden had money and those who lived without ever thinking of money did not - along the way lost was also the attitude of noblesse oblige that unfortunately too many of the middle class with new money did not pick up on that obligation - over and over they show how it is the lower incomed who donate and help out those in need - I thought Downton Abbey did a good job of showing the affect of WWI when the upper class first experienced the change that was pushed along it seems by new tax laws.

I think the acceptance and dependence today on technology along with changes because of this coronavirus we are going to experience another change in social mindset and behavior - we loose what some of us thought were basic manners along the way - I see everyone out for themselves as the way of things - a sense of entitlement that to me is unbelievable and uncalled for but more and more I am realizing I'm using yesterday's values - I cannot change and so I find myself disconnecting more and more. I probably could have continued working in Real Estate for these last 2 years but the lack of respect as I see it for agents to agent and almost rude way folks communicate made me very uncomfortable along with the complete dependence on Tech to the point of annoyance if you attempt to talk over the phone or meet to present an offer so to give a rundown on the buyer that used to be so the sellers saw their property going to a buyer they could picture - it has all gone past me and so I wonder how many other changes will seem normal with no understanding of the moral and social values up till about 2010   

Back to the issue with my father - his work was not dependent on anyone's approval and so he was in a unique position rather than someone who had a lot more at stake supporting a daughter who may have been pregnant out of wedlock. I don't think he was aware of his unique position but in a way he was because he often made in fun of people who as he would say 'work for the man' As to the Church it would not have crossed his mind - he was German Lutheran where as it was my mother who was Catholic - heck when they were married they could not even be married at the main alter and could not have a mass either and Mom could not wear white because she was marrying someone who was not Catholic - that caught in her craw till she died and yet, she turned to the Church and her prayers for everything. That dependence on the church no longer exists.

To finish this off - I noticed when dance groups a few years ago were in love again with the jitterbug and I saw how free they were with their bodies - they did not pickup on how back in the day there was a slight look that white girls kept their upper arm rather stiff, protecting their body but showing there was still some inhibition to being free that would equate to their life was not free - in fact that was in the day the difference between the black girls dancing and the white girls dancing - oh the white girls did all the tricks and slides and jumping around but that upper arm was not as free as the dance appeared. Today's dancers do not even have the emotional makeup to know how to pull that off.

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Re: The Library
« Reply #20970 on: May 05, 2020, 07:30:10 PM »
Barb,
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I think the acceptance and dependence today on technology along with changes because of this coronavirus we are going to experience another change in social mindset and behavior - we loose what some of us thought were basic manners along the way - I see everyone out for themselves as the way of things - a sense of entitlement that to me is unbelievable and uncalled for but more and more I am realizing I'm using yesterday's values - I cannot change and so I find myself disconnecting more and more.

I agree, especially through this covid virus, I have seen where some people seriously do think they are an exception to the rule when it comes to following the guidelines.  I am finding myself getting more and more irritated, and frustrated with these so called friends and even some of my family members.  How does one who lives in a state that is in quarantine, not allowing them to leave the state, ignores this and travels from Michigan to Florida, because she and her husband have always rented a small house there for their Spring vacation.  Then to actually post a picture of the beach, which is deserted, because we all know Florida beaches were closed.  She has been posting, to encourage others to "liberate" themselves, because we should not have our constitutional rights trampled on.  I have tried having a calm conversation with her, but she feels like she has the right to go to her three year old granddaughter's house to celebrate her birthday, no mask, no self distancing, hugging her granddaughter, blowing her candles out with her, and sitting her on her lap.  It just seriously boggles my mind how her daughter and son in law could allow this. 

Barb, I really am at a loss.  My own daughter in law and son have been allowing their teenage daughters to go to friend's houses, to their other grandmother's house, and have the grandmother over at their house.  None of them are following the guidelines.  I am old school, you follow the rules along with everyone else, no one is exempt from this virus, and no one should feel entitled to put others at risk.  Oh well, I just know I am going to continue to wear my mask, and self distance, and pray for the well being of these friends and family. 
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Re: The Library
« Reply #20971 on: May 06, 2020, 08:58:05 AM »
Thanks Barb, that was really interesting.

I had no experience of the Catholic church at all until I met my Irish Catholic friend in the 1980s, after I had finished college. When I first used to visit her family in rural Co Waterford the church held a huge sway there, especially for her parents' generation - but also for her brothers, who had remained on the farm, and for the one sister who had never left the area. The other three girls had all been away, if not overseas (one in Baltimore, one in the UK) then at least to live in Dublin. I haven't been for a long time now but my friend tells me that the church's power is much diminished, even in those small farming communities. She and her husband are very committed members of their local parish, but I think she has quite liberal views. I myself still think the RC church has a lot to offer, indeed I regularly contemplate moving to it from the Episcopal Church, which I find less and less satisfactory.

My parents were not religious at all (I was sent to Sunday School just to get me out of the house I think!) but my mother would still have been quite concerned about what the local vicar thought. She saw the whole C of E church thing as something middle class people (ie people she thought were 'better' than us) and was horribly embarrassed if she ever had to attend a service related to my school or the Brownies. So for them what the church might do was neither here nor there. My grandfather was unemployed permanently after returning from the Forst World War in which he had been gassed, so again a baby born 'out of matrimony' would not have made any difference to that aspect, and I hadn't ever realised that it might. My grandmother cleaned other women's houses and took in washing to try to make ends meet (they never did!) - maybe her employers would have been scandalised by any hint of so-called impropriety, again that hadn't really crossed my mind. I learn so much from this site!

And as a former lawyer, I also agree about the horrible, cut-throat way that business has become. By the time I left my last firm (we were moving to Edinburgh but boy was I glad to leave) my job, which had been mainly about wills, powers of attorney and the winding up of estates for 'normal' families, had become focused on networking to get very wealthy clients in, and managing trust funds for very entitled minors. The firm did not want to know about the little people any more, and shortly after I left they were taken over by one of the biggest firms in Scotland - from what I heard it got much. much more obsessed with big fees at that point. The original partners in the firm were very far from poor, they just became greedier and greedier, and only wanted to play with the big boys.

As I have probably mentioned in the past, the firm with which I originally trained in Cambridge had been set up by a lovely man, Stanley Green, who had just retired when I started. There was still a map of East Anglia on his office wall, and it showed the route he used to take, every few weeks, as he drove to visit all of his country clients - farmers, tradesman, and indeed private individuals who lived in the numerous villages between Cambridge and Norwich. That was the old way, but of course a visit would only be 'justified' now if there was an enormous fee note at the end of it.

Bellamarie, I am horrified to hear about all those contraventions of the regulations. I have to say that I think the vast majority of people here are complying, even though for some it is very hard (eg if they live in small flats with no garden, as many do in Edinburgh and Glasgow). My daughters are living in our house in Edinburgh, and Madeleine in particular has many school and college friends whose families also live in Edinburgh, but I am 100% sure that none of them has been visiting the others (my other daughter would have snitched on her immediately if Madeleine had done so!  But I know she would not have done it in the first place.) People do generally accept that this needs to be done. They trust our First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, and her message has been consistently clear and calm. I can hardly believe that grandparents are visiting their grandchildren - what a risk! I suppose 'constitutional rights' are just not a thing in the UK. We do not think we have a right to endanger others, and another massive consideration here is our National Health Service, which is so important - the regulations have been put to us as something that needs to be done to protect the NHS and prevent it from being overwhelmed, and so far it hasn't been (though hospitals in London have been under immense pressure of course). I suppose if you don't have a state health service, could it be possible that some people don't think so much about the burden they will create if they become ill and/or infect others? 

In France the rules have been even stricter, and have been zealously enforced by the police. One of my husband's engineers went jogging in the park - at that point you had to have a self-certified piece of paper stating the time you left home, and why you were doing so (you were allowed out once a day for exercise). Priscilla, like many people, does not have a printer at home so she downloaded the permit onto her phone. She was stopped by the police, and showed them the form on her phone, but they said only a printed paper copy was acceptable and they made her go straight home.

I have just been to our local village shops.  It was as quiet as quiet in both, just a few others there, and so even though the two shops are very small we were able to keep well away from one another. And the Co-Op had flour!  I had not been into any store since last Friday, it is interesting how we can manage without daily shopping (in Edinburgh my usual habit is to call in to Lidl or Tesco on the way home from work most days).

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« Reply #20972 on: May 06, 2020, 09:20:32 AM »
In all of that, I forgot to say that I finished The Village this morning. It was a wonderful novel.

One thing I found particularly good was that, towards the end of the book, Marghanita Laski shows that it was not only the upper classes who were prejudiced and scared - Martha Weatherall, the American lady who up till then has been so open-minded and unimpressed with the class obsessions of the English, almost blows a gasket when she thinks (incorrectly as it happens) that there is the chance of Communists moving into the area, and even Roy, the lovely young working class man who is 'courting' the upper class Margaret, says that he is not afraid to go to talk to Margaret's bigoted father because 'It's not as if I was a black man or something.'  Martha's husband, the self-made English businessman Ralph, also draws her attention to the fact that she may say that in the USA people only value others for what they have achieved, not their family background, but that liberal Americans' attitude to people of colour (or Negroes, as he calls them then - 1952) bears much resemblance to the English upper classes' attitude to the working class - 'we are happy for them to succeed in their OWN communities and lives, but they are not ever to aspire to ours.' He also points out that many of the old Bostonians of Martha's family's own circle are far from open-minded about background and 'breeding' either, although she does reply that 'all of that is dying out now.'

Now I need to decide what to read next out of the books I have available. I try to get out of the 1950s every so often and read something contemporary - my possibilities include a Jenny Colgan chick lit romance, several Ian Rankin (Rebus) (Edinburgh detective) thrillers, a GM Malliet Max Tudor cosy mystery, or Wild Mary, a biography of Mary Wesley, who only started writing in her 70s, but then had a lot of success with her novels - the most famous is probably The Camomile Lawn. The title of the biography comes, I think, from the fact that she had a pretty exciting life - she was born into the aristocracy, but after a very young and disastrous marriage she kicked over the traces, was recruited into the intelligence service during the war, had numerous affairs, one marriage, and generally lived what was then called a 'Bohemian' life. I also have Richard Holloway's autobiography - he was the Bishop of Edinburgh for many years, but then lost his faith and is now a writer and broadcaster. He is now very old but still working. This book is mainly, I believe, about his childhood in Alexandria  (an industrial town on the banks of the Clyde near Glasgow, not the one in Egypt!) and what came after that. I have heard him speak several times, he is very involved in the Big Orchestra and Sistema. I think he is a wonderful person, but there are still those in the Cathedral who cannot forgive him for what they see as a gross betrayal.

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« Reply #20973 on: May 06, 2020, 01:54:21 PM »
It will be interesting to learn what book you choose - I'm contemplating downloading a Jenny Colgan - The Bookshop on the Shore - but I still have not read The Little Paris Bookshop by Nina George or her newer book that I purchased used, The Little French Bistro

I was shocked - here I was kicking myself for not having finished some grand project while we were sequestered and lo and behold I started to write out the books I read for the last 2 months and I read 19 books - I had no idea - some, what I call chit chat novels - light reads usually with some personal problems that often is solved with the help of romance or a group of women friends. Enjoyed a couple of espionage type stories - the one called Deep State I thought was especially riveting and Framed was another good one that is supposed to be for teens but I really enjoyed it. 

And then what started out as a foray into learning about the huge changes to big cities, How to Kill a City: Gentrification, Inequality, and the Fight for the Neighborhood led to books on system thinking - I'm still caught up in how system thinking may be the way of analyzing social issues rather than the fixes we have been using with little success - I've even seen the analogy to our own lives and of course our health - and how changes to one aspect of our life affects other areas of our life - I'm finding this fascinating - the more I read the more so many issues make sense.   
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« Reply #20974 on: May 06, 2020, 06:00:09 PM »
Rosemary, I just am in shock at the careless behavior of my son and his family.  I did chat with my daughter in law last night through private messenger, and expressed my concerns after she mentioned my seventeen yr. old granddaughter was not feeling well.  I mentioned the fact she has not been following the guidelines, going to her friends homes, etc.  I was treading lightly, but felt I got my point across.  Not sure it will make any difference, my daughter in law is from a family who thinks rules are for others and not for them.  They seem very entitled, her aunt has a small local flower shop, that is not suppose to be open because it is not considered "essential," and she has been open and advertising on social media to get customers to order and pick up at the back door of the shop.  My daughter in law and son got a new puppy a couple of weeks ago, and she and my granddaughter took the puppy to the aunt's flower shop to do a photo shoot.  The dil's family has no issue giving alcohol to underage minors, and taking the children out on the boat, at their lake house while drinking.  My other son and his wife have stopped going to the lake when invited, and keep their time with them limited, because their two younger children point out the inconsistencies and rule breaking.  As parents, my hubby and I feel we have little influence, we are considered the boring, no fun grandparents, while the dil's mom is fancy free fun grandma who drinks, and acts like she is still living as a flower child, in and out of relationships like changing seasons.  It can be exhausting.

On another note, I am noticing more and more resistance happening here in the U.S., as Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates are coming under questioning with their possible nefarious actions before this virus came about.  It seems a scientist named Dr. Judy Mikovits, who worked with Dr. Fauci back when they were trying to find a cure for Aids at the NIH, has written a book called PLAGUE OF CORRUPTION Restoring Faith In The Promise of Science, and recently has done an interview, claiming Dr. Fauci held up the vaccine for Aids for two years to get his patent, and she feels it caused the death of millions, especially in Africa.  She was arrested and put under a gag order for five years, and was made bankrupt, to silence what she was discovering.
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PatH., I know you said you worked with Dr. Fauci, and spoke with high regards of him.  I hope what is being alleged against him has no truth, there are many doctors coming out speaking about his personal ambitions, through his work.

Americans are starting to question some discrepancies that were told to them early on. I'm not sure what I think of all of this. Other doctors videos are being banned from social media sites, who are also questioning the motives behind being forced to put covid19 on death certificates, even though the patient did not die of the virus. There are a lot of questions that will need to be answered, and a ton of information to hopefully be had, especially from China. I just know I am not going to take the risk of not following the guidelines. I expect the politics to heighten, as we begin reopening the country, blame and conspiracy theories will be all over the media.  For a short time in the beginning, we as a nation came together out of concern and fear.  Now, it seems we are going right back to the decisiveness. 

Barb, I was going to read The Little Paris Bookshop, and never got around to it. All three of Jenny Colgan's books sound like easy fun reads.
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« Reply #20975 on: May 06, 2020, 06:20:02 PM »
To change the subject:  Has anyone heard from Lucy Libr(aka-Lucy Sawyer) recently? I used to have her phone number but it doesn’t seemto be stored anywhere in my records.
 
Last time I remember talking to her was back in 2012 when she offered to show my sister, Mary, some places we hadn’t seen in NYC on our previous trips to one of our favorite cities.  She first took us see where new immigrants first lived in NYC.

The next day, she wanted us to see her apartment out near the ocean. Mary and I loved it.  Lucy then pointed out two small parks that were each dedicated to 2 different countries in Europe.  There was a library close by where many of her friends went to knit on Wednesday. 
Two weeks later that huge storm struck and many of these places were destroyed!  Lucy’s apartment building was not struck.  Hope someone has heard from her. 
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« Reply #20976 on: May 06, 2020, 06:45:17 PM »
Wanted to say I am enjoying re-reading “A Gentleman in Moscow”.  Fun to learn some happenings that I missed in the first read. The Count will always surprise me.

I do not understand why folks are deciding not to wear masks or stay 6 feet apart.  Are traveling out of state!  I think our state has said we can wear  masks or not!  Good grief,  aren’t we jumping the gun?!!
I thought we were trying to save lives?? On the news tonight they report more positive results in the tests.  That means we will see more people in hospitals, fighting for their lives!  Good grief!
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« Reply #20977 on: May 06, 2020, 06:55:44 PM »
Ann, Lucy, as you know, was a Latin student, and that's how I know she  died last September. She was indomitable to the end, despite many illnesses.  I don't think I've ever met anybody as fearless and strong as she was. And even after the floods in NYC she continued to walk that long walk to her apartment alone, even at night.  There she is, front row, on the right.




I miss her. Thank you for asking about her.

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« Reply #20978 on: May 06, 2020, 10:52:14 PM »
So sorry to hear about Lucy’s passing.😢😢💕💕Thank you for letting me know.

Someone else who has disappeared is ‘Pedln’ (Ann Bartlet). who when I last heard from her, was moving to New Mexico to live with her daughter.  I have cousins who live there and Ann and I planned see each other when I visited there. Well my trip never happened so I don’t know if she
moved there.  Anyone know where she is?
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« Reply #20979 on: May 07, 2020, 09:51:56 AM »
I haven't heard from Pedln for a long time.  Her son Cliff lived (probably still does) not far from me in Bethesda, and sometimes when she came to visit him we would meet and go to Politics and Prose together, have coffee and talk, and binge on book buying together.  I think she did make the move, but I'm not 100% sure.

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« Reply #20980 on: May 07, 2020, 10:49:25 AM »
Thanks Pat for that info about Pedln. I sent her an email but got no emai back! Today I’m calling my cousins to see if she in their phone book. Heck I can look her up Online!  I will Let you know!
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« Reply #20981 on: May 07, 2020, 11:00:15 AM »
I also remember Pedln and I do hope she is OK.

I have finished Marghanita Laski's The Village, and now I have started A Cornish Summer by Catherine Alliott. So far it reads a bit like a Jilly Cooper - full of people called Hugo and Belinda and Rupert, who live in places like Hampstead and also have huge mansions overlooking the sea in Cornwall.  And of course they all own labrador dogs and have lunches on the terrace. The narrator, Flora, is the ex-wife of Hugo, who went off with another woman. His parents (owners of the mansion) have invited Flora and her friend Celia down on the pretext of Flora (an artist) painting the father's portrait.  As soon as they arrive it becomes clear that Belinda (mother) has manipulated the whole thing, as in residence already are Hugo, new wife Christina (Caribbean holiday has had to be cancelled for work reasons..) and Hugo's old friend, handsome NYC hedge fund manager Toby, whom Flora has always loathed. I think we can see where this is going...but sometimes a bit of escapism is no bad thing.

Apart from that I've been baking and gardening, but after a sunny start the clouds are rolling in, so I think I'd better get my walk done before it gets any worse.

Have a good day everyone!

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« Reply #20982 on: May 07, 2020, 11:02:03 AM »
Rosemary!  My great Grama was born in Glasgow(sp?) Her name was Ann Mullen. I always thought she was Irish but Ancestry.com tells me she might be Welsh.  When the coal mines shut down in Wales, all the miners moved up to Glasgow. Our family records her in County Cork in Ireland. Got me!🤓😊

My daughter in Ithaca NY, is also gardening and doing some work in her office.  She says it’s  the only thing that’s keeping her sane!
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« Reply #20983 on: May 07, 2020, 11:10:21 AM »
Hi Annie

I had no idea about the Welsh minors moving to Glasgow, how interesting. Glasgow is only less than an hour from Edinburgh by train and yet I don't think i've been over there for years - quite ridiculous. It's a much larger city than Edinburgh, and I like it a lot. I still have never been into the Kelvingrove Museum, something that I must rectify once this 'situation' is over. I visited the Burrell Collection in Glasgow many years ago and loved it - it is all set in a huge park, but I think it was shut for a few years for renovations.

I have no real interest in travelling outside Scotland these days, but would like to see much more of this country - mainly the west and north coasts and the Cairngorms, but also places like Glasgow and Oban, neither of which I know well.

One day.

Best wishes,

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« Reply #20984 on: May 07, 2020, 01:04:55 PM »
wow a Catherine Alliott - some of her earlier work is on Amazon for these astonishing prices like Rosie Meadows Regrets for $499.95 - several though on Kindle for $5 and $8 dollars - Cornish Summer is not yet released till May 14 and will not be available on Kindle - I thought I read one of her earlier books but for the life of me cannot find it -when I was culling I did get rid of a lot of the light fiction and I bet I sold it - but from what I remember she has a wit that had me laughing outloud - whatever it was that I read something about her character assessing men on the train on her way to work in the morning - reminded me of assessing men who were walking or some running along the beaches of Padre on the Texas Gulf Coast.

Annie I looked and last Pedlin picked up an e-card I sent was in November - she did not pickup her Christmas card or any card since.

A friend shared something interesting - made me do a double take - back in 1968 there was the Hong Cong flu of which 1 million people died from all over the world and here in the US there was 100,000 deaths - not only did we not have any of the lockdown of today or the wearing of masks but if the date rings a bell Woodstock took place in 1968 - no one blamed that monster size gathering for the spread of the disease. Many of us are saying something else is going on - this virus has become way too political.

Found a basket of fun 'chit chat' laugh aloud books in the back of the front room closet - like always when cleaning out - come to halt with a forgotten find - need to read these before I take them over the half price books to sell - trying to decide between  Being Dead Is No Excuse: The Official Southern Ladies Guide To Hosting the Perfect Funeral by Gayden Metcalfe, Charlotte Hays - or -  What Southern Women Know (That Every Woman Should): Timeless Secrets to Get Everything you Want in Love, Life, and Work by Ronda Rich - or another Ronda Rich - What Southern Women Know about Faith: Kitchen Table Stories and Back Porch Comfort This last one sounds like it was written for today - difference no back porch comfort with a few neighbors.

Still have a couple of chickens in the freezer - I think this would a be perfect day to use one and make a large pot of chicken stew - not in the mood for all the cutting up and frying and I do have carrots, celery and onions - wish I had a red pepper but it will be bland rather than having some of the heat of a pepper - hmm rather than shredding the chicken and adding rice and with no red pepper I may just plop in a few cut potatoes - after scavenging through the crisper looks like I have a few tomatoes on their last legs so they could go in as well - yep - a pot of stew bubbling away while I read will be just the thing. I even had a bottle of white wine that I can splash on the chicken and have a glass tonight - Thursday means PBS Midsummer Murder for nearly 2 hours. This is going to be a nice day plus we are on the cusp of another cold front which means I can save some dollars not running the AC...
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« Reply #20985 on: May 07, 2020, 02:44:19 PM »
So, Barb, you are my Midsomer Murders buddy?  I try never to miss one!  I think I liked the older ones better, both characters. How about you?  Gosh I love these British Mystery series.  I love "Vera" but PBS isn't showing many of them now.  "Shetland" - - yes.  I just can't fork out the money to subscribe to BritBox, as I have Dish and paying for that is a pain.  Although since I rarely go out for entertainment, I guess it is money well-spent.  That "Line of Duty" series was awesome!  The U.K. has such brilliant actors, I never cease to be impressed! 
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« Reply #20986 on: May 07, 2020, 03:33:18 PM »
ahhh you too and YES YES YES I liked the older ones - I never liked how this so called cousin treated Ben - now he has another sidekick Nelson - he is good looking but I liked Ben and the older Barnaby's wife - I can see this new one probably appeals to a younger audience. Looks like when Nelson arrived they moved into a new larger home with a baby having arrived - and so there will be a new dynamics to the story -

the one that lost it for me and I guess a lot of others in the area because they finally dropped it was Death in Paradise - the older one with Kris Marshall those characters really fit so well - the show then was a winner - the one now, the Irishman O'Hanlon kept reminding me of his role as George Sunday and he never seemed to fit in with the existing characters - I understand he left and there is now another but Austin is no longer carrying the series.

However, I am still enjoying Shakespeare and Hathaway even if we are seeing reruns - and I loved Hold the Sunset - wish they would do a rerun of that - really they did about all they could with the story and this set of characters when they finally marry and go off in their mobile home .
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« Reply #20987 on: May 07, 2020, 04:17:31 PM »
I never really "got into" Death in Paradise, although I watched a whole season of it.  I thought it was kind of silly! I tried watching an episode of this new one, but it did not click with me. One I sort of liked was Ms. Fisher's mysteries, it too kind of "way out there" but ohh, those costumes, her house, her car, and she was lovely on top of that.  I ignored her being such a "wild thing" as far as men were concerned!  Of course, leave us not to forget our dear Helen Mirren, in her long running series (the name of which just now escaped me as I began to type it). 
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« Reply #20988 on: May 07, 2020, 04:37:46 PM »
Barb, your chicken stew sounds wonderful!  We are headed back into lower temps here in Ohio after today.  I seriously think the world has turned upside down, and mother nature is bi polar.  One day I am in shorts, (I pulled out of my stored bins) and the next day, I am back in sweats and sweatshirts.  Ughhh...

Annie, I remember Pedlin, gosh it's been awhile since I have seen her post in here.  Barb, that is nice of you to send virtual cards, it is one way of staying in touch and knowing if they have been picked up.  I always enjoy the ones I receive. 

Well, yesterday I went to my drop off site to bring masks, and I was again excited to find more elastic, and the cutest golfer's fabric, to make masks for men.  It's been difficult to find masculine fabric.  Joanne's Fabric is out of any plain colored cotton fabric, and out of all cotton thread. I did purchase a King size 100% cotton flat sheet at Target today for around $20.  That is enough fabric for the underside of the masks, to make quite a lot of masks.  So I am back in business!

Governor DeWine is reopening many businesses with restrictions, beginning May 15th, and others to follow in late May. I am cautiously optimistic.  The masks wearing will be required in most of the places to open. 

Stay safe & safe healthy! 
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« Reply #20989 on: May 07, 2020, 05:54:04 PM »
Goodness Bellamarie have you kept track of the number of masks you've made - since we are open for business here I find I want to be home - talked to my daughter and she was finding the same thing - are you also glued to home - I think it takes 60 days to make a new habit stick and with the two weeks in March plus all of April that is only 2 weeks shy of the 60 days so it appears my daughter and I do not need 60 days for a new habit to take hold - I'm thinking the news is still doing its job of scaring us but it really isn't that so much as home is comfortable and people are still not relaxed being their casual self so that it is an effort rather than fun to be out mingling.

OH yes, Miss Fisher - those costumes oh my - they have started over repeating the series here - we have another 1920s following Miss Fisher now... Frankie Drake Mysteries - at first I did not take to it but last night the show was built around Coco Channel - wow - I think both of these are from Australia rather than Britain - there was another Doctor something I want to say Martin but that is not right. He seemed a bit disconnected as he and his housekeeper were preparing to marry - quite a story as a returning WWII Vet with a Chinese wife that escaped and he did not know it - oh yes and then also an Australian series A Palace to Call Home - wow that is quite a story and that story also has the doctor as a returned Vet that experienced a Japanese concentration camp. Seems like both Britain and Australia keep the WWII experiences alive - I do not remember if either nation was involved in Viet Nam or Desert Storm or the recent Iraq war - seems to me here those experiences knocked aside the glory and sacrifices that was WWII -

Well stew started so now I have to get off here if I'm going to do any reading before Midsummer starts tonight...
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« Reply #20990 on: May 07, 2020, 06:01:39 PM »
I think the "Dr. Blake" series from Austraila.  Oh, how I loved that one also!
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« Reply #20991 on: May 07, 2020, 08:57:46 PM »
Barb, yes I am trying to keep a running total of the masks I am making.  I am nearing 200 which is a huge feat, considering all the roadblocks I have had to deal with.  My friend has made 500, but she began with tons of elastic, and fabric.  Now she is scurrying around to our drop off hoping to find it each week. She also lives alone, since her husband died a couple years ago, no children, so she has way more time to spend at it than I do. 

For the most part I am staying at home.  I have done a drive by to the kids/grandkids for Easter, and my grandson's birthday, but other than that it's been to small stores only a few times, and dropping off masks at the library, where no one is actually there.  I do love the comfort of my own home, so this quarantine has not bothered me too much.  I find some mornings I wake up, forgetting things are shut down, and I think, hey it would be nice to go to Barnes and Noble to browse and have lunch.  Then of course I realize, nope, not happening. 

We were going to attempt a self distancing cook out at my son's house this Sunday for Mother's day, but the weather is going to be cold and rainy, so I have to admit, I was happy to call it off.  My kids know my hubby and I are not yet comfortable, and they totally respect and understand.  It's not fear that drives us, it is just being cautious and following the guidelines.  I am getting frustrated with all the complainers about wearing the masks.  I have to limit myself on social media/Facebook, because I have a few rebel rousers, who want to encourage people to "liberate" themselves.  Then there are those who are starting to make this an issue of anti vaccine, and of course discrediting people.  Mama Mia, I am just going to start using the Facebook option to snooze them for 30 days. :-[

All of my regular TV shows seasons are coming to an end soon, so I can't imagine what I will be able to watch at night when I like to settle in and watch my shows.  I may need to check out some of all your shows you are mentioning in here.  I thought of finding some show that has many seasons, so I can binge watch.  Any suggestions?

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« Reply #20992 on: May 08, 2020, 09:06:38 AM »
Because I have a few rebel rousers, who want to encourage people to "liberate" themselves.  Then there are those who are starting to make this an issue of anti vaccine, and of course discrediting people.  Mama Mia, I am just going to start using the Facebook option to snooze them for 30 days.

Would that we could ALL push a button and be rid of, in real life  this underbelly of humanity, if they can be called that,  who, driven and funded by Neo Nazi, Survivalist,  White Supremacy, and other assorted  Whacko groups show up at or start  Liberate Yourselves functions with their AK 15's, and spur them on. I never thought to see that in my lifetime.

In the quiet peaceful  little corner of the  world I live in, in a town with not even a stop light,   people here can and do think for themselves.  And what we are seeing on the nightly news is many states yesterday reporting an upsurge in cases of the coronavirus. I saw Tuesday a grandmother of about 60 with her little granddaughter about 7 or 8,  going into a crowded  grocery store  in a nearby city, no masks of any kind.

The mind boggles. Liberate yourself, think only of yourself, whatever, but first do no harm to others, it's a worldwide pandemic, for Pete's sake.




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« Reply #20993 on: May 08, 2020, 10:32:52 AM »
Ginny, Liberate yourself, think only of yourself, whatever, but first do no harm to others, it's a worldwide pandemic, for Pete's sake.

I fear I am losing friendships with those who live in Michigan, because of my voicing these very words to them. It is a worldwide pandemic, how can people be so selfish to put others at risk.  When I saw on the news, the Michigan Militia dressed in gear looking like terrorists with those guns, rush the capital building in Lansing, with children of all ages, men and women without masks, protesting, I swear I thought it was some other country. I was born and raised in a small town in Michigan, like you describe your town, but it has changed, tons of growth over the years since I married and moved over the Ohio/Michigan line.  I just don't understand their mentality.

Well, today is back to being chilly, a high of 47 degrees.  It's a good day to stay in and sew and read.  A friend of the family who lives in South Carolina, contacted me last night asking if I could make 30 masks for their organization, Family Justice Center for Horry and Georgetown counties, a non profit organization who assist victims and survivors of domestic violence in various ways.  So looks like I'll be busy getting those done. 

Stay safe & stay healthy!







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« Reply #20994 on: May 08, 2020, 11:24:48 AM »
Barb, it looks to me that Pedln was around in last November.  I will try another email to her!  She might be on my Jacque Lawson list so I will send her an e-card!  Will let you all know.

PatH, have you heard from your sister Joan recently?

I have made a mistake about the governor of Ohio saying we don’t have to wear our masks.  Boy was I wrong.  He made it quite clear yesterday that we are to wear masks whenever we go outside!  Sorry Mike Dewine.  !!!!
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« Reply #20995 on: May 08, 2020, 11:54:19 AM »
Hi everyone - I am late today as we went early to B & Q for my husband to get paint and wood. It is now fully open but, like a supermarket, they are keeping numbers in the store really low.  I was able to go out to the plants while he was getting his stuff, so now I have more seeds (including Morning Glory, bellamarie!) and also a ground feeder tray for the birds - the blackbirds especially, as they don't like the bird table. I also have a lemon balm plant - I was so delighted to find this, as it is one of my favourites.

I then also queued for Asda (Wallmart) - their home/clothes dept upstairs was so quiet I thought at first it was closed, but it wasn't, so I was able to browse up there with hardly anyone else around, & got myself some much needed new underwear! Also stuff my mother had asked me for.  Downstairs was busier but still OK - I was still glad to get out though. Back at home now and I really should be doing something constructive.

Last night I watched the next installment of the Great British Sewing Bee, which has become a lot more fun since Joe Lycett (a very popular comedian, & a very gentle, kind man) took over as presenter. The participants have three sewing challenges - last night one of them was to make a garment suitable for a beach holiday out of bath towels. Another was to make a perfectly tailored pair of palazzo trousers, and the third was a man's colourful holiday shirt. I have no idea how these people do it, they are so talented. I can relate to the contestants on the Great British Bake Off, even though I could never for one minute create cakes as good as theirs - I can at least bake and have some understanding of what they are doing, but sewing is a complete mystery to me. It must be wonderful to be able to do something like quilting at the moment.

Barb - I had no idea that Catherine Alliott's books were so popular or expensive. Jenny Colgan has written many books - I have read a couple, they are light and easy reads. I don't think she is brilliant, but I would still read more and indeed I have a couple sitting here that I borrowed from the library. My daughter recently read her novel 'Class' and enjoyed it. Colgan often adds recipes to her books.

I accidentally ended up on the twitter feed of an American anti-vaxer this morning. I hadn't really understood before how strongly some Americans seem to feel about this - this woman and her friends were all saying that when a vaccine arrives for the current virus they will refuse to have it, and think everyone else should too. They are also very much opposed to contact tracing, as this infringes their constitutional rights (apparently.) I believe one of your chief medical officers has advised people to have their normal flu injections early this year, and these people are furious about that too. It was a real eye-opener for me to read these messages. I do wonder what will happen if significant numbers of people refuse a new vaccine. It all seems so bizarre to me from this side of the Atlantic.

There is a bit of resistance to the measles vaccine here, but only in a very small part of the community, and that arose mainly from the now totally discredited advice of a (now disgraced and struck off) doctor, who alleged that the measles vaccine might cause autism. My GP told me, when my son was small, that there was no scientific evidence at all for this; I chose to trust him, and still would. All of my children have been fully vaccinated and I happily pay for my flu vaccine every year. I would also be fine with paying for a new vaccine if I were required to, provided it was given free to those in high risk groups and those who could not afford it.

The weather has gone off here and is cloudy and damp. Although I love my gardening I also enjoy being indoors, so it's not a problem to me. However, my husband - having already painted all the outside window frames, etc - has now decided to do the insides of the frames, so we are doomed to have all the windows open for hours on end, and it's not warm!  I suppose it keeps him entertained.

Barb that stew sounded so delicious, I could eat it right now. I have a chicken in my freezer, maybe I will dig it out for tomorrow.

I hope everyone is having a good day,

Rosemary

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« Reply #20996 on: May 08, 2020, 02:01:57 PM »
Just some good news for all my friends who were curious about Pedln! I sent her a Jacque Lawson
Mother’s Day card and she read it!! How great is that?!!!

The email address she read from is:  ann.bartlett@att.net

I sent her a Happy Mother’s Day card.

Rosemarykay, about the miners who worked in Wales and after a big strike, they moved to Glasgow for jobs is the theory of an Ancestry.com  acquaintance of mine. I am wanting to do more research on this information.  So now I will be doing that. Ancestry.com is tied up due to the slowness of the web.  My son who works For OSU math Dept says thats the truth. Too many of us on the web due to CO-VED19!

Have a good day!




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« Reply #20997 on: May 08, 2020, 03:56:31 PM »
We all have our viewpoints on vaccination however, when Robert Kennedy Jr. points out the dangers and even speaks in Congressional meetings of the dangers I listen -

Yes, people get their fear mixed into their facebook posts but to trace back those doctors and nurses who shared their experiences helps - unfortunately most of that information was removed from facebook a couple of years ago - seems part of the problem is it takes the body time to assimilate the vaccine and therefore a limit as to how many can be administered any one time which they say for an adult 6 is the optimal number and these babies and children within the space of less than 2 years are receiving 50 and 60 vaccinations - there was also science that showed, and I am not a biologist, how some are more susceptible to after affects than others I am not remembering the details since the information was available a few years ago - finally the fact the vaccines are not made any longer with US control since they are all made in China is leaving folks without information as to the product during I guess you would call it manufacture.

All I know is the number of vaccines to a baby today are multiple times the vaccines given to my children when they were babies or even my grandchildren who are all approaching or have just turned 30. There was a time when I saw mom's that I thought were simply hysterical over what happened to their children until there were not only too many but also, to see some of those in positions of leadership who agree with them - and so this issue may not be black and white and I hope it can allow that to not agree, still can mean it is an open question that needs more understanding - we know that India found the vaccines offered for over 10 years by Bill Gates to cause great damage to their population

Information made public by Robert F Kennedy...and he even printed this (excerpt of his longer message) on Gate's facebook page.

"Promising to eradicate Polio with $1.2 billion, Gates took control of India‘s National Advisory Board (NAB) and mandated 50 polio vaccines (up from 5) to every child before age 5. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating vaccine-strain polio epidemic that paralyzed 496,000 children between 2000 and 2017.

In 2017, the Indian Government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and evicted Gates and his cronies from the NAB. Polio paralysis rates dropped precipitously. In 2017, the World Health Organization reluctantly admitted that the global polio explosion is predominantly vaccine strain, meaning it is coming from Gates’ Vaccine Program. The most frightening epidemics in Congo, the Philippines, and Afghanistan are all linked to Gates’ vaccines. By 2018, ¾ of global polio cases were from Gates’ vaccines.

In 2014, the Gates Foundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by GSK and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces. Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders. Seven died. Indian government investigations charged that Gates funded researchers committed pervasive ethical violations: pressuring vulnerable village girls into the trial, bullying parents, forging consent forms, and refusing medical care to the injured girls. The case is now in the country’s Supreme Court.

In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a trial of a GSK’s experimental malaria vaccine, killing 151 African infants and causing serious adverse effects including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions to 1,048 of the 5,049 children.

During Gates 2002 MenAfriVac Campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis. Between 50-500 children developed paralysis. South African newspapers complained, "We are guinea pigs for drug makers"

Nelson Mandela's former Senior Economist, Professor Patrick Bond, describes Gates' philanthropic practices as "ruthless" and immoral".

In 2010, Gates committed $ 10 billion to the WHO promising to reduce population, in part, through new vaccines. A month later Gates told a Ted Talk that new vaccines "could reduce population". In 2014, Kenya's Catholic Doctors Association accused the WHO of chemically sterilizing millions of unwilling Kenyan women with a phony "tetanus" vaccine campaign.

Independent labs found the sterility formula in every vaccine tested. After denying the charges, WHO finally admitted it had been developing the sterility vaccines for over a decade. Similar accusations came from Tanzania, Nicaragua, Mexico and the Philippines.

A 2017 study (Morgensen et.Al.2017) showed that WHO's popular DTP is killing more African than the disease it pretends to prevent. Vaccinated girls suffered 10x the death rate of unvaccinated children.

Gates and the WHO refused to recall the lethal vaccine which WHO forces upon millions of African children annually.
Global public health advocates around the world accuse Gates of - hijacking WHO's agenda away from the projects that are proven to curb infectious diseases; clean water, hygiene, nutrition and economic development.

They say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal fetish - that good health only comes in a syringe.
In addition to using his philanthropy to control WHO, UNICEF, GAVI and PATH, Gates funds private pharmaceutical companies that manufacture vaccines, and a massive network of pharmaceutical -industry front groups that broadcast deceptive propaganda, develop fraudulent studies, conduct surveillance and psychological operations against vaccine hesitancy and use Gates' power and money to silence dissent and coerce compliance.

In his recent nonstop Pharmedia appearances, Gates appears gleeful that the Covid-19 crisis will give him the opportunity to force his third-world vaccine programs on American children."   
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« Reply #20998 on: May 09, 2020, 12:43:49 AM »
Annie, I am so glad Pedln read your card, so hopefully she is doing well. 

For my birthday a couple of years ago, my kids gave me an Ancestry.com kit.  I waited a year or so before I finally sent my saliva to them.  I was a bit shocked to see my results came back showing I had absolutely no Indian in me, which I was told by my Mom, aunt, grandparents and other relatives I did.  I have been working on my family tree through them, and with the help of other relatives I have never met, being also with Ancestry.com, I have been able to trace back to my great, great, great maternal grandfather.  It is quite interesting.  My paternal Italian grandparents migrated from Italy, so when they came over to the U.S. their last name was misspelled.  I am finding at least three different spellings connected to them.  My father spelled our last name Patterfritz.  On the record when they came to the U.S. it is Petrofritzi, and on another record it is Petrofritz.  So I am thrilled I am finding out some relatives from the DNA with Ancestry.com.  One day, I hope to know the original spelling of my Italian grandfather. 

Barb, your post only has me even more curious than ever.  Bill Gates sure has had his hands in a lot of places when it comes to vaccines. I am not liking the thought of being forced to get any vaccine.
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« Reply #20999 on: May 09, 2020, 10:59:50 AM »
Rosemary...I'm with you.  I've had my vaccinations, including the Shingles one, having seen the nerve pain it causes with Ray's uncle who suffered with nerve pain in his eyes for years because of his Shingles.  I don't have much faith in those with no medical or scientific background who push unscientific and unproven "theories."

And now back to my reading while staying at home.

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