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BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #14200 on:** October 19, 2014, 03:40:30 PM »

The Library

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BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #14201 on:** October 19, 2014, 03:41:32 PM »

these days I just turn on the 6: news for a scary roller coaster ride that is real and not in some amusement park - I need hope, not more scary - sorry...

PatH · « **Reply #14202 on:** October 19, 2014, 03:54:24 PM »

I haven't read the book yet, but since they contained the virus last time, I presume there's hope in it.

MaryPage · « **Reply #14203 on:** October 19, 2014, 04:42:38 PM »

I have already read it, and have many others on the same subject which I am going through again. I found it most worthwhile reading because you learn so much about what is going on. And yes, they kept the outbreak within the lab in Reston (which has since been torn down) in the long run, but it was touch and go for a while. Actually, as I recall, it was a place where they took monkeys in from foreign countries and quarantined them and took care of them until they were cleared as disease free to be sent out to experimental labs all over the country. The book also lets you know all the horrors of the disease itself, what happens from infection until death in detail, and what was, at that time, going on worldwide regarding these viruses. That book, or others I read right after it, predicted Ebola would eventually come to the U.S. This is over 20 years later, but they were right.

dbroomsc · « **Reply #14204 on:** October 20, 2014, 06:16:21 AM »

I don't participate often in these discussions, but I read them all. As a result, I have placed a hold on "The Hot Zone" at the library. In light of ebola being the news recemtly, it would seem to be a timely book to read..

MaryPage · « **Reply #14205 on:** October 20, 2014, 08:46:21 AM »

It is! It is!

And the thing is, everything it tells about is stuff that actually happened.

But here is the scariest part: EVEN if, as I believe we will, we eventually wipe out Ebola and the related viruses AS WE KNOW THEM NOW, we are struck with the absolute truth that viruses are so small we cannot see most of them with a microscope, but only with an electronic microscope, and their cycle is so tiny (and they are not really "life" as we know it, and as all animals and also plants know it) that they evolve much, much more swiftly than we do and an unstoppable form may show up anywhere anyday. This is why, if we want to continue as a species, we have to stop deluding ourselves with fairytales and roll up our sleeves and put money and time and effort into finding sure cures and keeping a sharp eye out for this terrible foe.

Steph · « **Reply #14206 on:** October 20, 2014, 10:12:18 AM »

I live alone and make a policy not to do scary things. I have enough trouble trying to sleep without adding stuff in.

salan · « **Reply #14207 on:** October 20, 2014, 11:36:22 AM »

I agree, Steph. I live alone, and do not read or watch scary/horror movies. I don't want those images in my mind.
Sally

mabel1015j · « **Reply #14208 on:** October 20, 2014, 11:44:32 AM »

Harvard's Steve Pinker says there are some grammar rules we can break........thank goodness, i don't have to worry about when to say "whom" any more......

http://www.openculture.com/2014/10/steven-pinker-identifies-10-breakable-grammatical-rules.html

Jean

PatH · « **Reply #14209 on:** October 20, 2014, 02:33:46 PM »

I don't agree with all of them. Some, like dangling modifiers, lead to fuzzy meaning. but I do agree that people commonly ignore the rules.

Judy Laird · « **Reply #14210 on:** October 20, 2014, 04:05:03 PM »

I also live alone and am not afraid at all. I have made some preperations which I am sure nost of you would not agree with. But I have a question when you get old do you sleep a lot during the day? I have never had a nap or slept during the day in all my life.
Now I find myself sitting down in my chair and there I am asleep.missed my favorite program this morning, made me mad. I am not sure I am going to like being old.

MaryPage · « **Reply #14211 on:** October 20, 2014, 04:43:20 PM »

Judy, that is EXACTLY the way it has become with me. I could never bear to sleep during the daytime, even as a child, with the exception, of course, of the very rare times when I was seriously ill with high fevers, etc. Very rare. Otherwise, I simply could not nap! Could NOT!
Now I am pretty bright eyed and busy tailed in the mornings, but come afternoon my body threatens to shut down and keel over if I do not settle myself in my easy chair for a nap! And yes, like you I will sit down to watch the news or read the newspaper, and boy am I ever surprised to find myself waking from a nap I did not even know I was taking!
Old age. 85½ year old body shutting down. Or something like.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #14212 on:** October 20, 2014, 06:30:36 PM »

They say it takes courage to be old - they talk about losses but I do not think there is a real discussion about the many losses - loss of control over what your body does and does not do - the loss of activities that there are no longer the folks around to do them with - the loss of being able to cook a huge meal for 14 and less and less do we entertain with dinner parties so that if you love your china, silver and Chrystal you find it gathering dust and today no one wants it. The loss of Doctors, Accountants, Dentists, regular Store Clerks - they all retire leaving you having to start in all over - the changing place where you live so that a gas station, gift shop, even a grocery store is no longer where it was. Everyone talks about friends dying but there is so much more.

I have been gradually clearing out for over a year now - projects started I forgot about and other projects never started but the materials were purchased and stored - equipment for various handwork and for me the arts that I will never get back into again. They keep talking about simplify and it struck me that you cannot just toss without realizing how much went into making the choices we did make in order to own what we have - yes, there are some who collected art that has increased in value but most of us used our energy to earn the money and our learning and taste to purchase what appears ordinary. All these ordinary 'things' are really our life - what we valued enough to want to surround ourselves with or to become skilled in using.

My friend loved to sew but her hands are too arthritic and she no longer can sew - another loved to knit and the same thing - another loved to hike but no one around any longer to accompany her and she does not feel she can hike in the woods alone anymore - the current interests of the young are fun and exciting for just so long and then we need a time out that ends up only being in our minds because when we look around very little of what we recognize is still out the door and windows so that are homes may be dated but it is where we can catch our breath.

Our bodies have new and different odors and our homes have a different odor that we can too easily not notice - and so bed linens have to be changed out more frequently and we cannot any longer wear the same shirt two day - if we do not write things down we forget them - if we make a promise or commitment it has to go on the calendar immediately or we forget - I have even had to calendar the week the recycle bins are collected - and yet, there is so much we can do even if our neck, leg or arms are not having a happy day -

And so, where I do believe in the old adage you are as happy, brilliant, and lucky as you let yourself be, I also see the losses and rather than howling about them I am saying there goes another one - throw petals and let it float out beyond the ether.

Bottom line, I figure if those crippled in life could make a full life with their limitations so, as we age we can learn just how to do that so that we can have a full life.

Haha all that just to say - yes, I find I can hardly get through the day without a nap and if my schedule does not allow it I am dead on my feet the following day.

MaryPage · « **Reply #14213 on:** October 20, 2014, 06:55:26 PM »

One of the things I would still be able to enjoy, but no one does it anymore, is the wonderful card games played around the dining room table. We used to play Hearts, twenty-one, Canasta, Monopoly (board game), poker, and all kinds of stuff. I adored three handed cut throat Pinochle with two of my uncles. I remember the glasses of iced tea or lemonade or ginger ale or cups of tea or hot chocolate, and the laughter. Oh, the laughter! My beloved grandmother had a pretty stern visage much of the time, but I can still see her sitting at the end of that table smiling broadly while her eyes sparkled. Lucky her! My children remember sitting around OUR dining room table playing and laughing, but they have never done the same with THEIR children; so my granddaughters and great grands don't play. They just flat out don't, and my innards sob silently while I yearn for times with them such as my granny had with us.

maryz · « **Reply #14214 on:** October 20, 2014, 08:45:49 PM »

Well said, Barb!!

As they say, "Old age ain't for sissies!" And "they" are SO right!

marjifay · « **Reply #14215 on:** October 21, 2014, 06:47:08 AM »

Wow, Barb, what a depressing post. Perhaps you were just having a bad day. I hope so, anyway.

I realize we have more health problems as we age; I've sure had them but am thankful for Medicare and good doctors who have helped me get over them.

I was never able to cook a huge meal for 14! Nor was entertaining at dinner parties one of my "things"! On the other hand, eating out at restaurants with friends was something I loved, and still do! Had lunch just yesterday with a group from where I worked and from where we're all retired. And a friend and I choose a different ethnic restaurant each month to visit for lunch, which is fun.

My neighborhood is improving. A rickety corner mall is being torn down and new town houses will be going up. And a big shopping mall, hotel and movie theater is going up a
few blocks from my house. All this will improve the value of my house.

I love that I have the time to read, and thankful for still good eyesight at age 81. I also love having book discussion groups on the internet where I've met new friends. And I love movies -- am going to see one tomorrow with my son who also loves films.

As for remembering things, I've always had to write things down so as not to forget. And I shower daily (as I bet you do too), but I don't notice any "old age" odor (and I'm sure if I had any, my sons would be sure to let me know.)

I hope you feel happier soon.

Marj

Steph · « **Reply #14216 on:** October 21, 2014, 08:58:51 AM »

I see, to be in the middle, Just now I am still in the middle of an extreme allergic reaction that I cannot seem to shake.. I cannot sleep more than an hour or so at a time, because I cannot breathe through my nose.. and I sneeze and sneeze.. Need to go to the doctor and keep putting it off. I did use to have large dinner parties, love to cook for them, taught bread baking classes to small groups and made my own pasta, etc. Now not so much if at all. But I am lucky in that my summer home is in a small community and we women play Farkle,Bunco, Rummicub, scrabble.. Some of them also play poker, but that is not my game. I am trying to convince everyone to play canasta next summer. I have not played since I was a teen. Just now I am extra lonely with both of my dogs dying so unexpectedly, but I am on the track of another corgi or two.

ursamajor · « **Reply #14217 on:** October 21, 2014, 08:59:36 AM »

Barbara, I think that was a remarkably good post. It recognizes our losses - we all have them - but does not bewail them. It surely spoke to me; I try hard to be happy in spite of the things are gone. Many good things are left to us. All of us should be grateful we still have the wits to participate in a group like this.

What frightens me beyond thinking about is that my husband might die before I do. That loss I could not sustain. He has been my husband, my lover, and my best friend for more than 65 years, 62 since we married.

maryz · « **Reply #14218 on:** October 21, 2014, 11:05:28 AM »

From A Word A Day

A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
Biographical history, as taught in our public schools, is still largely a history of boneheads: ridiculous kings and queens, paranoid political leaders, compulsive voyagers, ignorant generals, the flotsam and jetsam of historical currents. The men who radically altered history, the great creative scientists and mathematicians, are seldom mentioned if at all. -Martin Gardner, mathematician and writer (1914-2010)

A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
Readers may be divided into four classes: 1. Sponges, who absorb all that they read and return it in nearly the same state, only a little dirtied. 2. Sand-glasses, who retain nothing and are content to get through a book for the sake of getting through the time. 3. Strain-bags, who retain merely the dregs of what they read. 4. Mogul diamonds, equally rare and valuable, who profit by what they read, and enable others to profit by it also. -Samuel Taylor Coleridge, poet, critic (1772-1834)

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #14219 on:** October 21, 2014, 12:09:18 PM »

I may be able to see from another perspective since my very best friend is 95 - We also find by acknowledging the many losses we do not carry around a vague feeling of displacement.

Ursermajor - it will be hard especially since our generation wrapped a woman's whole being, her identity into her husband as he did to hers. At an elderly age it is difficult to re-create your own identity - If you are collecting ideas - my good friend was 88 when Bill who was 90 passed - they too had known each other since they were in high school - it helped that Charlotte had been very politically active in this town so that she had many opportunities to keep up with her groups in various gatherings but the lesson I learned from her was, we are close friends since 1970 - her youngest two are the age of my oldest two - and she decided to have a reason for cooking so she asked me up for dinner every Wednesday night.

Soon, after talking and talking about more than we had ever shared we started to at first read from a grief book she had that soon led to our reading Meister Eckhart and Joan Chittister and the huge book on Vatican II that got us into reading about power and then politics and now we still read but nothing in depth. Over this summer we started to read these light books that are charming stories - the last takes place among the Amish.

All to say, she reached out and where now her arthritis keeps her from cooking the wonderful meals we shared for several years, I would not interfere because this keeps her feeling capable but our meals are now mostly a half avocado to start with then cheese on a wonderful bread she finds when another friend takes her shopping - she no longer drives - there is always fresh fruit and a desert of usually flan with cookies and hot tea that we have seconds on the tea while we read at the table.

We both look forward to our weekly get-together that has helped so that, rather than isolation setting in and where I do not think or have Bill's opinions, we can and do talk deeper than on a superficial level.

I think that is where the courage comes in - it is so easy to isolate and while grieving it is not easy to risk being close to some friends, concerned that all you have is grief to share. Some folks may and others may not reciprocate or enjoy the new intimacy. And as we loose friends to have the courage to turn new acquaintances into friends. It is so much easier to turn to our books, turn on the music we love, watch our favorite TV programs that become our limited link to the outside world except when we go shopping or visit family.

I bet Steph and MaryPage can share a tip or two because they have lost their best friend, lover, travel companion, husband.

I know what helped me that first year after my son died, I was already alone, I built a garden in the front which required not only digging but using a pickax - for some of it I hired a young man to help with the digging - it was not only using my body and being focused on what I was doing but learning what I could plant based on location and sun versus shade but best of all, so many people stopped by to chat with me, at first about what I was doing and later about the neighborhood in general. I got to know my neighbors better and I would come in after hours building the garden feeling tired and refreshed.

mabel1015j · « **Reply #14220 on:** October 21, 2014, 12:46:59 PM »

Wonderful comments Barb, i have had many of the same feelings you mention. When we were cleaning out an office to move a laundry room from the basement to the second floor, my husband was encouraging me to get rid of more things then i was doing. I realized that throwing out many of the training materials, some of which i had developed, meant that i was never going to be that trainer again. Researching, developing and presenting those materials were the highlights of my career life and a lot of fun to do, throwing them away was like throwing away a piece of me.

Jean

Jonathan · « **Reply #14221 on:** October 21, 2014, 04:51:45 PM »

Barb, you're an inspiration. The other day when you posted about treating your neighbors and passersby with little bouquets of aromatic clippings, I found myself wishing you lived on my street. Keep it up. You'll have the whole world smelling more sweetly when your habit catches on. And now you talk about reading Meister Eckhart with your friend! You've mentioned him before. Now how did you get on to him? Isn't he marvellous. Gets to the essentials so easily. What a clear-eyed mystic. I discovered him years ago, and have been reading him ever since, whenever the world seems unbearable, or insufficient.

Frybabe · « **Reply #14222 on:** October 22, 2014, 06:46:38 AM »

This should be fodder for more interesting period books.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29702694

The free library's website:
http://www.qdl.qa/en

Steph · « **Reply #14223 on:** October 22, 2014, 09:10:53 AM »

Barb, you sound wonderful, and it would be marvelous to live closer to you and get to see you..
My problems with my husband dying so suddenly was first the PTSD..and then after all the counseling, the realization that our life which suited us was not a good one for making friends. We had each other and never felt the need for others. That made my grief all the deeper, but I joined everything in sight and now 5 years later are still sorting out what I like and what I don't. I moved to a 55+ community ( houses) and try hard to join in some of the clubs. I traveled alone for a while, but that hurt a lot, but now I have found a cousin who wants to go as well, so we are in the middle of planning an Irish two week trip in late April. So I have hopes for traveling a bit more. I still have mostly superficial friends and envy Barb, her deep friendship. My smaller community in the summer has me developing some new friendships. They are mostly so very different from me, but I am enjoying a completely different point of view.. Life is strange..
Oh on the reading category, I am a sponge.. I literally read everything in sight.

Judy Laird · « **Reply #14224 on:** October 22, 2014, 04:42:05 PM »

Barb I thought you post was just great. As we speak I amcalling my best friend ho is 91 to read your and Mary Page's post. I think MP is some kind of a pixi when ever I see a red post and although I don't post much I never miss those brilliant posts.
I am not really having a lot of fun lately as have had all my bottom teeth {that were left} pulled 2 root canals and 3 dental surgeries and cannot eat for 6 months, from time to time I getreally pissed about the whole thing. woe is me||||||||||||||||

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #14225 on:** October 22, 2014, 05:37:08 PM »

Oh lordy Judy not only the loss of teeth but the loss of eating the kind of foods you would prefer - and then one more loss that comes with age - yep, woe woe woe - kinda kick the can kind of woe - What helps - howling a bit or Googling all the folks who have had worse happen to their mouth and face or Googling what you will enjoy and examples of what you will look like in 6 months - I bet going out you have a scarf to cover your lower jaw - of course if you ever thought of trying a Burka now is the time - thank goodness the cold weather is when most of this wait time will be happening so you do not look too foolish with your face covered - let us know please how you get through your days for the next few months.

maryz · « **Reply #14226 on:** October 22, 2014, 07:03:45 PM »

I heard part of a conversation with Atul Gawande on BookTV last weekend. I've just bought the book, and John is in the process of devouring it. I'm glad I got it in hardback - we'll be loaning it to almost everybody we know. It's particularly apt with the current conversation going on. Definitely a must read!

Click here for the Amazon page about the book.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #14227 on:** October 22, 2014, 09:50:42 PM »

I saw his interview with Charlie Rose on the book - I think many doctors are so into their prescription medicine that they do not realize there are many who do not medicate for everything but instead use old fashion remedies that do work and so their dying experience is not as interconnected with Hospital care. I believe he is the same doctor who wrote another book that talked about surgeons going over a list of basic steps including shaking each others hand to know each other before surgery because many fatalities are the result of a simple step forgotten. At the time I remember thinking as I read many professions could benefit by a similar approach - and so I have this new book on my list of TBR

mabel1015j · « **Reply #14228 on:** October 22, 2014, 10:38:51 PM »

Yes, i saw that Charlie Rose interview. It's always nice to see that some research has been done to support my philosphies.

Judy, i hope you find some wonderful soups to eat, maybe new ones you hadn't thought about, OR, lose some unwanted weight without having to do extra exercise? There has to be some upside to such a miserable situation.

Is anyone watching "How We Got To Now"? I know we've talked about the old show of Connections with David Attenborough, maybe on Seniornet. I loved that show and sometimes go on youtube to watch episodes. HWGTN is very similar. He's talking about glass tonight and all the impact that glass inventions have had on our culture and history. It's a series, altho i don't know how many episodes there will be. (checked and there are 6 episodes) He wrote a book first with the same name. I saw him talking about it on the Daily Show.

Jean

maryz · « **Reply #14229 on:** October 22, 2014, 11:09:37 PM »

Jean, we've been watching How We Got To Now also - it's great!

Judy, I'm with Jean. I'm so sorry about your mouth, but there are some really good soups out there (I love soup). I hope all goes well for you.

Frybabe · « **Reply #14230 on:** October 23, 2014, 06:00:00 AM »

James Burke did Connections. A wonderful show. I have the companion book. About the same time Jonathan Miller did The Body in Question, another wonderful program series of which I own a companion book.

MaryPage · « **Reply #14231 on:** October 23, 2014, 07:44:47 AM »

Judy, thank you for the huge compliment. I am imagining what you are going through, and filled with empathy. Am at the stage of fighting nature to keep my own last teeth, all lower ones, as the dentist tells me I will never be comfortable with lower dentures. I adore my uppers, and like them better than the real thing, but he tells me lowers will never fit in my mouth. So it is that I rinse and brush throughout the day relentlessly, and so far successfully. Wish I had had the motivation and time to do that all of my life! For some reason I had it in my head that brushing my teeth was a matter of person to person hygiene, and thought dental assistants were a bit daft and over the top in suggesting constant flossing and so forth. I used to brush religiously every night, and then settle down in bed with a good book and a box of chocolates! Scheesch! Talk about being daft! Now I picture all those billions of bacteria chomping away in my mouth all night, with plenty of food all around, all around. Also now I know it is possible to defeat them, and I emerge proudly from dear Doctor Johnson's practice every 6 months with a gold star for no cavities! Too late for all but 8 of the real thing, but I am keeping those way, way past their predicted expiration date. Woo hoo!
Do you make my favorite comfort food: milk toast? I toast 4 slices of bread, while heating up a small saucepan of milk. I count to 22 while pouring the milk in the saucepan, and that amount seems to be just right. I butter the toast, and, up until my blood pressure went up two years ago, added a bit of salt to each slice. Then I cut the stack of buttered toast in half and each half in half, until I have 4 fingers of toast. I cut each of these into chunks and slide the whole bunch into a large bowl and pour the milk over it. Let it soak up the milk for a few minutes while I pour my coffee, and settle down to pure bliss. PURE BLISS!
It does not require chewing: just slides right down and satisfies.

Frybabe · « **Reply #14232 on:** October 23, 2014, 08:22:29 AM »

MaryPage, I am curious to know if you are familiar with Elizabeth Robins who was an actress, novelist and suffragette. I just ran across some of her novels. Her novel, The Convert, later made into a play that, it is claimed, was important to the suffrage movement. The one I downloaded is The Magnetic North which was inspired by her trip from London to Alaska by herself to hunt for her missing brother.

MaryPage · « **Reply #14233 on:** October 23, 2014, 08:33:02 AM »

I am not, Frybabe. Thanks for the head's up!

bellamarie · « **Reply #14234 on:** October 23, 2014, 09:14:50 AM »

I don't think we are being told the truth where Ebola is concerned. One more cover up leading up to the Nov 4th election, just like other things hidden and finally broke AFTER the 2012 elections were over.

The Hot Zone does not interest me. Too many contradictory statements from various doctors. Our own CDC can't seem to get it right. They say it can only be contracted from direct contact with bodily fluids, yet if an infected person sneezes or coughs on you, the virus can be contracted. I suspect they are keeping the amount of people with it, in the U.S. hidden from the media/public. I heard when Obama finally decided to cancel his fund raising campaign, to come back and hold a meeting with his cabinet he was furious.

JoanP · « **Reply #14235 on:** October 23, 2014, 09:54:09 AM »

It is understandable that some of you are not interested in joining November's Book Club Online discussion of Richard Preston's 1994 non-Fiction The Hot Zone. We understand that and respect that. Just to clear up a few misunderstandings ...this will NOT be a frenzied or a political discussion as some recent comments here suggest. Please give us more credit than that!

Richard Preston's book is an even, balanced discussion of the Ebola disease, and how it was contained in the 1990's when it spread from Africa to the United States. We are fortunate to have a scientist of 35 years at the National Institutes of Health leading this discussion (this is where you may have heard the nurse who contracted the disease is being treated today.) Another nurse of 30 years in an ICU has just joined the discussion. If you care to drop in and meet them yourselves, the Prediscussion of The Hot Zone can be found here.

You may have heard Sheperd Smith's comments last week in which he explained why some may regard this as a political issure...in a balanced way. You may find this three minute video of interest:

Ebola in the US.

MaryPage · « **Reply #14236 on:** October 23, 2014, 10:01:57 AM »

It should be pointed out that that is not a contradictory statement. A sneeze or a cough directed to another person's skin deposits a mist of BODILY FLUIDS upon that other person.

Our CDC has it exactly right. They are understaffed due to massive funding cuts, and there is no Surgeon General, but otherwise our nation's medical community is doing a magnificent job of protecting the public.

If you do not read THE HOT ZONE or books like it written by experts in the field who have been right in the front lines of fighting this virus for decades now, you WILL be lacking in first hand knowledge and may well feel you do not know the truth; but certainly not for the lack of the availability for you to know it. No one is trying to hide anything; on the contrary, it is strongly felt that public awareness is our first and best line of defense.

MaryPage · « **Reply #14237 on:** October 23, 2014, 10:29:47 AM »

There are a humongous number of verbal taboos in this world, and in our country today. We call this being politically correct, or hide it as consideration for the sensibilities of others.

But the crude facts should be laid out in many cases in order to SAVE LIVES and avoid spreading these viruses.

One of the principal causes of the insidious spread of Ebola in Africa, despite heroic efforts on the part of courageous health workers, is IGNORANCE of the facts concerning this disease. Tradition in most African nations calls for hands on care of a dead body. Hugs, kisses, and careful washing and binding. Then the mourners all touch the body lovingly during the funeral and burial rites. Families commonly would steal the body of their loved one right away from authorities in order to maintain this tradition, which they felt so very, very necessary. Public Health authorities, naturally, wanted to cremate all deceased Ebola victims and protect the public from the disease and from the spread of the disease. Clashes of ignorance, tradition, and understanding of these viruses and how they spread is just, historically, the same old difficult road the human race has had to endlessly travel in order to reach a better environment in which to raise our children and our children's children. I can remember when people died of unpasteurized milk. When I was born, the average life expectancy was something like 48 years of age. Think about it. Understanding how viruses work is a step in the RIGHT direction!

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #14238 on:** October 23, 2014, 01:42:57 PM »

Thanks MaryPage - that says it...

bellamarie · « **Reply #14239 on:** October 23, 2014, 02:32:22 PM »

MaryPage,

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Our CDC has it exactly right. A sneeze or a cough directed to another person's skin deposits a mist of BODILY FLUIDS upon that other person.

If they got it right and knew this, and also that the virus can live hours on hard surfaces, then why did they give the nurse in Cleveland permission to board an aircraft with a temperature and symptoms, exposing hundreds of other healthy passengers? My friend's grandson and classmates who live in Dallas, were on that plane. I pray none of them come down with this virus.

http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2014/10/15/cdc-director-defends-ebola-response-our-information-is-clear-and-correct/

With all due respect, the head of the CDC himself contradicted himself even in the protocol for how the nurses should be trained and dressed. He said in his interview with Megyn Kelly the nurses do not have to cover their heads and feet, and he would be comfortable himself treating an Ebola patient with those areas uncovered, yet the next day they show him covered head to foot with a hasmet suit on. Then he revised the protocol a few days later:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/20/cdc-new-protocol/17638161/

The National Nurses Association came out asking for proper training, and equipment because even though these new guidelines came out, the hospitals are still not being given the training or equipment. My daycare Mom works in the ER at our local hospital and she told me they have not been given any training or proper equipment in the event they would have to deal with an Ebola patient. We live in Toledo, Ohio just a stones throw away from Cleveland where the nurse with the Ebola virus was visiting her family.

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Our CDC has it exactly right. They are understaffed due to massive funding cuts, and there is no Surgeon General, but otherwise our nation's medical community is doing a magnificent job of protecting the public.

This is the liberals talking points in using the Ebola virus to get more money. This article shows where the funding was increased NOT decreased as we are being told.

http://www.redstate.com/2014/10/14/republicans-appropriated-more-for-the-cdc-this-year-than-obama-requested/

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will see an 8.2 percent budget increase for fiscal 2014, thanks to a $1.1 trillion spending bill announced by Congress Jan. 13.

But not just that. There was also this nugget of news:

This influx of cash will raise the CDC budget to $6.9 billion, which is $567 million more than it received in 2013. This is more than the agency anticipated, because the president’s fiscal year 2014 budget request for it was just $6.6 billion — a decrease of $270 million from fiscal 2012.

Yes, you read that right. Republicans in the House of Representatives voted to give the CDC more money that President Obama requested. And what did the CDC intend to do with all that money.

It's because of the lack of transparency in this administration, I and half of Americans do not feel we can trust we will be told the truth about the Ebola virus or anything else.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/25/obama-poll_n_4337643.html

The Ebola virus is very politicized, and it is good to know discussing The Hot Zone, will avoid any political controversy.

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