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Frybabe

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« Reply #2680 on: May 18, 2014, 12:58:57 PM »


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Jean, count me as one of those who thought Salt was fascinating. It could have been a bit repetitious, but I didn't notice. I was especially interested in the salt pans along Italy's eastern coast, and of course, Avery Island and the campaigns during the American Civil War to capture and hold salt mines.

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« Reply #2681 on: May 22, 2014, 08:03:18 AM »
Today I am picking up from the library Stiff : the curious lives of human cadavers by Mary Roach and have requested This explains everything : deep, beautiful, and elegant theories of how the world works, edited by John Brockman.

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« Reply #2682 on: May 24, 2014, 02:54:43 PM »
Oh, good, Frybabe, when you've read it, will you explain everything to me?

Frybabe

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« Reply #2683 on: May 24, 2014, 05:53:37 PM »
It will be a while, PatH. I am behind three people. In the meantime, "Stiff" is not only informational, but it is pretty darn funny too.

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« Reply #2684 on: May 25, 2014, 04:09:41 PM »
I've started "Salt". So far, I find it interesting, but a little scattershot. Fascinating to think of the Celts as "salt people".

And I read the book recommended here about George Washington's spy network in the Revolutionary War in New York, and enjoyed it very much. I'll especially recommend it to a friend from Long Island, although she may be more familiar with this history than I was.

Frybabe

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« Reply #2685 on: May 27, 2014, 07:03:19 AM »
Stiff... is incredibly interesting. So far, I've learned about crash tests, ballistics research, medical research, what body parts of animal most resemble humans, embalming, and rates of decomp. Mary Roach has even included a segment on how they decided what happened to Flight 800 from the condition of the victims they retrieved. I have seven chapters to go yet.

JoanK, Salt is also incredibly interesting - more than everything you ever wanted to know about salt. My favorite parts were about the salt pans and trade along the eastern coast of Italy and, of course, the Civil War/salt connection as well as Avery Island and how Tabasco Sauce came to be.

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« Reply #2686 on: May 27, 2014, 02:20:42 PM »
Marj The green ghosts book is laying right at my fingertips but before I read it, I must continue reading "I Always Loved You".  Very good book!
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« Reply #2687 on: May 27, 2014, 02:27:10 PM »
So, Frybabe, I took your recommendation and reserved a copy of "Stiff" at my library.  I had seen blurbs about the book before, but somehow it didn't seem like something I would care to read.  You changed my mind!   Maybe not all of our recommendations will suit someone, but we darn sure get "hits" as well as "misses".
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« Reply #2688 on: May 28, 2014, 04:50:12 PM »
FRY: I'm just amazed as I read how many things I thought I knew about have connections to salt and the need for salt!

Frybabe

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« Reply #2689 on: May 29, 2014, 07:51:54 AM »
Do you get the feeling from the book that the whole of civilization and its' endeavors revolves around salt and little if anything else (like water for instance)?

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« Reply #2690 on: May 29, 2014, 11:26:18 AM »
Just noticed that on History2's series "Big History" there is an episode on"Salt". Mark Kurlansky comments in the episode.

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« Reply #2691 on: May 30, 2014, 06:42:00 AM »
Still reading Stiff. You know all those SciFi movies/TV where detached heads are running computers, or are attached to other bodies? Frankenstein comes to mind. Believe it or not, there were (still are?) real experiments involving just such a scenario. The dates noted in the book range from the 1800's to the 1990's. Did you know that a head/brain does not lose consciousness for about 10 to 12 seconds after it has been detached? EEEEEUUUUUUUUU! I think of all the chapters I've read so far, this is the most disturbing. Three more to go.

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« Reply #2692 on: May 30, 2014, 05:04:04 PM »
Two more titles to add to my TBR list.  Salt and Stiff!  Short list of what sound like interesting books. My f2f group read "Salt" way back in the way back machine and they loved it. That was about 10 years or longer!
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« Reply #2693 on: June 01, 2014, 01:26:14 PM »
Frybabe wrote "Did you know that a head/brain does not lose consciousness for about 10 to 12 seconds after it has been detached? EEEEEUUUUUUUUU! I think of all the chapters I've read so far, this is the most disturbing"

EEEUUUU is right!  Maybe that's why the advice to keep your head on your shoulders!

Marj
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« Reply #2694 on: June 01, 2014, 03:19:36 PM »
Marj, apparently executioners of old kind of figured out that the head didn't die right away. The Guillotine executioners noted how the eyes from the head in the basket would follow you and the teeth would grind and gnash for some time. The last chapters deal with alternate ways handle the remains of loved ones. One alternative to cremation is called water reduction. Think crime scenes where the bad guy dumps a body in the bath tub and pours lye on it to dissolve it. If I remember the reading correctly, a small amount remains, but most of it goes down the drain. I wouldn't want to end up in someone's drinking water. UGH. The last is composting. Sounds strange, but I like the concept considering I told my sister just to cremate me and scatter me around a tree or something. The neat thing about this is that the whole body gets used, not just what gets left after cremation. BTW, I have to check on this as it may have changed, but the author says the EPA does not regulate Crematoriums. When she wrote the book, there was growing concern about Mercury pollution.

All in all a very interesting book. Mary Roach did her best to keep the subject from getting gory or morbid.

Frybabe

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« Reply #2695 on: June 01, 2014, 03:34:27 PM »
PS: The last chapter of Stiff is about how you can, if you wish, donate for organ transplants or to scientific studies. I didn't read that one.

I am on to another non-fiction book now: The End of Empire: Atilla the Hun & the Fall of Rome by Christopher Kelly. I decided to read that before I pick up The Inheritance of Rome: Illuminating the Dark Ages 400-1000 by Chris Wickham. If I am still into a history jag, I guess Caesar: Life of a Colossus by Adrian Goldsworthy will be next. From there, I can move forward in time again. I have more books and info about the period up to Vespasian. After that my personal library is very thin indeed until the Middle Ages.

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« Reply #2696 on: June 02, 2014, 12:25:34 PM »
My library has two differently titled Salt books; I'm going with the later one, The Story of Salt (2006).  Also tempting is What? and the Basque history - how can a language have no connection to any of the others?  
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mabel1015j

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« Reply #2697 on: June 02, 2014, 01:32:12 PM »
The author of the one i read, Jackie, is Mark kurlanski and yes he wroteabout the Basques also.
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« Reply #2698 on: June 02, 2014, 04:08:33 PM »
Some of you have seen me talk about my work with the Aluce Paul Institute. There is a new book coming out about her work on the Women's Suffrage Amendment. I hope someone will write the second half of her life: writing the Equal Rights Amendment; working for 50 yrs to get it passed in Congress; working with internat 'l women's groups on women's rights; sheltering Jews during WWII in her home in Switzerland; working with E Roosevelt to write the Declaration of Human Rights for the U.N. Charter, etc.

Publisher's Weekly gave the new book a starred review. Here it is....

http://publishersweekly.com/978-0-199-95842-9#path/978-0-199-95842-9

A small group of the founders are having dinner with the author Jill Z after the debut of the book at the Alice Paul Institute.

http://alicepaul.org

Jean


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« Reply #2699 on: June 06, 2014, 08:01:31 AM »
Regarding D-Day, From the History News Channel newsletter today:

"When President Barack Obama joins other heads of state in France to mark the 70th anniversary of D-Day on June 6, attention will focus on the Allied offensive’s main landing site, the beaches of Normandy.

"But on a continent that saw a generation slaughtered in combat and millions more perish in the concentration camps of Poland and Germany, there are many other poignant reminders of World War II.

"In a small town in France more than 300 miles south of Omaha Beach, people will gather to remember the worst Nazi atrocity on French soil.  Although what happened here didn’t change the course of the war like the American arrival at Normandy, it’s important for how the war is remembered today.

"Three days after D-Day on June 9, 1944, an armed Waffen SS infantry unit from Hitler’s brutal Das Reich regiment rounded up this town’s entire population in an act of revenge for the alleged kidnapping of a Nazi commander by the French Resistance.  The men were massacred with machine guns before their bodies, some still alive, were covered in hay and incinerated.  Women and children who sought refuge in the church were locked in and the building set alight. Of the 500 people inside, only one child survived."

A very interesting book to read is A BITTER ROAD TO FREEDOM; A NEW HISTORY OF THE LIBERATION OF EUROPE by William I. Hitchcock (446 pp, 2008). 

Per Booklist's review: "Americans often overlook the wartime experiences of European people themselves -- the very people for whom the war was fought.  In this brilliant book, historian William I. Hitchcock surveys the European continent from D-Day to the final battles of the war and the first few months of the peace.  Based on exhaustive research in five nations and dozens of archives, Hitchcock's groundbreaking account shows that the liberation of Europe was both a military triumph and a human tragedy of epic proportions. Hitchcock gives voice to those who were on the receiving end of liberation.  This book recounts a surprising story, often jarring and uncomfortable, and one that has never been told with such richness and depth.  Ranging from the ferocious battle for Normandy (where as many French civilians died on D-Day as U.S. servicemen) to the plains of Poland, from the icy ravines of the Ardennes to the shattered cities and refugee camps of occupied Germany, The Bitter Road to Freedomdepicts in searing detail the shocking price that Europeans paid for their freedom."
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Frybabe

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« Reply #2700 on: June 06, 2014, 08:19:50 AM »
Sounds interesting, Marg.

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« Reply #2701 on: June 07, 2014, 12:25:40 PM »
Here's a recommendation.  American Nations by Colin Woodard.

I'm just starting it - John's finished it and really liked it.  Check it out.
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« Reply #2702 on: June 07, 2014, 03:46:07 PM »
Another interesting book to read!  Thanks, MaryZ.

Marj
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« Reply #2703 on: June 07, 2014, 05:26:13 PM »
I am not a fan of non fiction, but this one sounds interesting, Mary Z.  l will check & see if library has it.
Sally

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« Reply #2704 on: June 11, 2014, 04:12:21 PM »
That's terrible. we certainly should find out more about it.

On a lighter note: a fun book to browse through is "The Things that Nobody Knows" by William Hartston. It's literally what it says: questions that science or history hasn't figured out yet. Everything from how Tchaikovsky died to why ambidextrous chimps are less successful at digging out termites than left or right handed chimps. Laced with quotes extolling the exploration of the unknown.

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« Reply #2705 on: June 11, 2014, 05:19:03 PM »
Fun for you and me, Joan, but what a shock for those who think they know it all. By the way, Tchaikovsky still lives.

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« Reply #2706 on: June 12, 2014, 03:43:10 PM »
Jonathan:  ;)

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« Reply #2707 on: June 14, 2014, 08:40:20 PM »
JoanK, 
 ;D > I could have told you that about myself! :D. I always tell people that I am ambidextrous and that I won't ever grow up until I choose one hand or or the other!   ;D. Forever young! That's me!  Tra la tra la!   :D

Ralph and I are on our way home after a delight filled visit with my sister, Mary and her extended family in Morganton, NC.  We met so many wonderful folks and Mary showed us all over some the mountain towns.  Banner Elk was our favorite.  And Lake Lee where we enjoyed a cookout and a pontoon boat ride as the sun was sinking into the west.  And we met the sweetest little fella' named Gage who just entertained everyone at yet another cookout.  We have been coddled and spoiled for 8 great days.  We are in Beckley, WV and will be leaving the mountains behind us tomorrow.  Sob, sob!

Back to the discussion of "I Always Loved You".  
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« Reply #2708 on: June 17, 2014, 04:38:23 PM »
Annie: is that Berkley? I have many fond memories there.

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« Reply #2709 on: June 17, 2014, 05:50:05 PM »
I’m currently reading American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America by Colin Woodard. It’s a fascinating look at why the various sections of the country (plus Canada and Northern Mexico) are the way they are.

I’m reading so slowly these days that I can only manage one book at a time, and it takes a while. I do better with nonfiction, though.
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« Reply #2710 on: June 17, 2014, 09:09:09 PM »
Maryz i have that on my 'to read' pile along with several others mentioned by others.

The book reading a premise that is riveting is about the South China Sea and what is going on that we never hear in the news - the nations around the South China Sea are not as strong as China where as in the North, Japan and South Korea can give China a run for its money - in the south you have Vietnam that is the strongest and now one of the strongest allies to the US, Malaysia, Singapore that is a nation state, even Australia all depend on the support of the USA in order to maintain their borders and keep China at bay - the issue that is causing the low level tension for the rest of the world and high level tension for these 9 nations are all these Islands and yjrot continental shelf that is being jockeyed over for ownership - it seems instead of planting a flag as we saw adventurers who claimed land for a particular nation for hundreds of years now it is planting an oil well - it is the resources in the South China Sea that are beyond any other region in the world including the Arabian Peninsula -

Islands are mentioned that I never heard of - thank goodness for Google maps - the majority are vacant raw land but now are spouting an oil well and that oil well is determining national ownership - this all sounds benign until you hear the amount of the national budget these nations are spending on their navy and defense systems - Robert Kapan, the author explains that many of these nations have upped their defense budget to be a fourth of the economic value of the nation and some are spending more than we in the USA - in addition the silent subs and other new navel shipping and rocket launching, most is purchased from Russia, is far ahead of US purchased technology.

He is suggesting the 21st century we will fight our wars at sea rather than on land and he gives a whole layout of why and then, nation by nation he covers the history of each nation to give a greater understanding of the people and their thinking and how they are affecting each other. I did not know that South Vietnam has a history of art and other aspects of its life that go back thousands of years and China has always been its enemy where as North Vietnam has intermingled with China for centuries. So much of the history of these nations easily explains the last century and now this century.

We may have the middle east taking all the air in the news but we better start learning about this area of the world - now it makes sense why over a year ago Obama had a contingent of Navy ships stationed in and around the South China Sea.

It is not a big book to be packed with so much insight - The book is -  Asia's Cauldron: The South China Sea and the End of a Stable Pacific by Kaplan, Robert D.  
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« Reply #2711 on: June 18, 2014, 12:41:51 PM »
Thanks, Barb, I have downloaded it to my computer and my iPad Mini so will have it available to me while traveling this summer.

MaryZ, I will try to find your book later On Overdrive.
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« Reply #2712 on: June 22, 2014, 02:17:46 PM »

We have a 3-way tie for our next month's discussion. Please help us decide on a book for July. Vote now at https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/77TM6S7

The books are:
Girls of Atomic City: The Untold Story of the Women Who Helped Win World War II by Denise Kiernan
The Greater Journey - Americans in Paris by David McCullough
Lucky Jim by Kingsley Amis

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« Reply #2713 on: July 28, 2014, 07:23:53 AM »
For those who want to read Twelve Years a Slave Project Gutenberg has the original, free. http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/45631

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« Reply #2714 on: July 30, 2014, 07:18:32 PM »
I am reading Christopher Kelly's The End of Empire: Attila the Hun & the Fall of Rome. He makes it a little hard to follow the Huns and Goths. There are maps, but guess what! Many of the rivers and other land marks he mentions are not on the maps at the beginning of the book. There are no general migration maps at all. I have resorted to the trusty Google maps to find maps of the old empires and migration routes for the period. While I am at it, I am listening to Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkC3chi_ysw

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« Reply #2715 on: August 31, 2014, 11:33:04 AM »
Well I am happy to  see the non fiction discussion board lives on.  Its certainly is not because of my activity.  It would seem as I abandoned the site after my last book discussion with Ella last fall.   I hope to see myself more active here again in the coming months.

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« Reply #2716 on: August 31, 2014, 05:32:45 PM »
Looking forward to your posts, Harold.  Glad to see you back up here. What have you been reading lately?

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« Reply #2717 on: September 03, 2014, 08:06:05 PM »
We discussed Team of Rivals, I think, quite awhile ago. I started the book, did not get into it because of various distractions, but as I found a copy at a library book sale, it waits on my shelf. This past weekend we spent two days in Springfield, IL and visited the Lincoln Museum and various other sites in the area. So now I'll have to pull out that book and start reading it again.

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« Reply #2718 on: September 05, 2014, 02:04:04 PM »
For those of you wjo read or saw Mounument Men, i thought you might be interested in this article of people being trained to save Syrias artifacts.

 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/09/140903-syria-antiquities-looting-culture-heritage-archaeology/

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« Reply #2719 on: September 06, 2014, 12:28:39 PM »
An interesting article.  I've seen the Monument Men documentary and recent movie---both very good.