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« Reply #720 on: December 02, 2009, 05:22:56 PM »
 

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What are you reading?  Autobiographies, biographies, history, politics?

Tell us about the book; the good and the bad of it.  

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Jean It seems CV was a man of his times.  Many were mean/nasty, and NY harbor was a wild and wooly place.

One sidenote..some monopolies were legal (steam/paddleboat ferries), and it was one of CV's goals to break the monopoly.  And some of them used to pay CV not to compete with them. Interesting way to increase his income.

JoanK  I agree with your comments on footnotes. But (and don't tell anyone)  I'm not reading all of them anymore.  Otherwise, I'll never get through this 700+ page book.

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« Reply #721 on: December 02, 2009, 05:39:45 PM »
Talk about a mean/nasty man - The Power Broker: Robert Moses and the Fall of New York - biography by Robert Caro.   After 600 pages I jumped to the final 100 of  the 1200+  to see him removed from power. 

Each January I start 3 or 4 nonfiction books that I want to read that lend themselves to being read and thought about in small doses.   I place them where I can pick them up and read them bit by bit over the year (i.e. kitchen table, bathroom, car etc) and then after Thanksgiving I do a major push to finish each one so I can start a new set January 1.  This year I read 600 pages of the Moses bio and have decided I had enough of his meanness. I understand what he did for and to New York City.  I also just finished the Frances Perkins bio, and  will finish The American Sphinx (Thomas Jefferson).  I also read several other non fiction this year but they were more the "I can't put them down" type. 

Now, I'm making my selections for next year from my TBR shelves.

Too many books - too little time.

Mary
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« Reply #722 on: December 02, 2009, 08:45:21 PM »
Cubfan, I'd love to know what you pick for this year.  We read the Frances Perkins with Ella's excellent leadership, and I bet you liked it.

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« Reply #723 on: December 03, 2009, 06:00:32 AM »
When I was in the library yesterday looking for audio books for Ella, I almost chose a long one about Jay Gould who is said to have been the meanest of them all and to have been the cause of the 1869 bank failure and depression. But instead I got one that I know she didn't get to read before her accident.  "The Man Who Loved China".  That also looks quite good.
There is a new book out but not in our library,  "In The Shadow of My Father" by Chris Welles/????? who is Orson Welles daughter.  Guess I will have to look in our other library system to see if they have it.  I listened to an interview of her last week and the book sounds worth a looksee.
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« Reply #724 on: December 03, 2009, 01:31:10 PM »
I'm reading - as one of those pick-up-put-down books - Gail Collins "When Everything Changed." A history of women since 1960, altho she goes back a little further than '60 to give background. I've just read chapter six which is about the women in the civil rights movement. She does a lovely job of telling the real story of how the women were often more activist then the men whose names we know. I was aware that besides Rosa Parks' obvious refusal to give up her seat in Montgomery that there was a whole cadre of women who mobilized the boycott by immediately running off 35,000 flyers (imagine how blue their hands were from mimeo graph ink!...........remember those days?)     and distributing them to schools for the students to take to their parents the next day............wasn't that a smart organizing technique? What could have been a faster way to get out the word. Collins gives us a strong picture of the patriarchal actions of the men, particularly the male ministers. Rosa Parks was not allowed to speak at the mtg encouraging the boycotters......she was told she "had said enough." Only one woman was one the committee to organize the March on WAshington and only Josephine Baker was given a few minutes to speak. The men said "well, Marian Anderson is singing!"

What i didn't know was how many women in the southern states risked their lives and properties to house young people who came to register people to vote, housed people who had lost their lands, registered to vote themselves, had their homes attacked, etc. It's an inspiring chapter. I know there is a book titled Freedom's Dgts, but i can't remember the author..........i'll look for it...................jean

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« Reply #725 on: December 03, 2009, 01:51:07 PM »
Thank you, mabel1015j, for letting us know about that interesting book you're reading about the recent history of women. I'll look for WHEN EVERYTHING CHANGED in my public library.

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« Reply #726 on: December 04, 2009, 06:03:21 AM »
Good ideas for books to read.  Plenty on my shelf here in the Rehab Center at the moment, but learning this llittle laptop takes time and I have precious minutes between the tough therapy for my broken ankle and all else one is required to do. 

I am still in Eiffel's Tower, which has now been built in 1888 in Paris - the world's tallest building.  Before that, the Washington Monument was the tallest; however it took 40 years to build whereas the Eiffel took two.  Fasciinating characters exhibited at the fair and the book goes into their lives - Gauguin, the Van Goughs, Whistler, Edison, and many more.  Unbelievable work on the Tower and there are great pictures.  Am enjoying it when I can read.

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« Reply #727 on: December 04, 2009, 07:41:42 AM »
Can't wait to put "When Everything Changed" on my TBR shelf.  Sound fascinating, Mabel.
And about your tag and women holding up half the sky??  Sometimes we hold up the whole sky while the men debate their responsibilities.   ;) ;)
We visited Ella yesterday and took her some audio books and paperbacks.  Hope she finds something there to enjoy!  She has a nice single room but says the outside world doesn't exist for most who are there.  So, we will visit her often and take her the chatty news from 'Downtown Gahanna"  :D
She seems to be doing well but knows this will take some time and lots of excercise and other therapies. 
I am getting ready to read "Blink" by Gladwell.
Also, I off to Cincy to visit with my sister, Mary, for the weekend.  She will be coming from Indianapolis and me from Columbus.  We always enjoy our brief respites together.
Have a great weekend!!
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« Reply #728 on: December 04, 2009, 08:13:15 AM »
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"Rosa Parks was not allowed to speak at the mtg encouraging the boycotters......she was told she "had said enough."

GRRR! Doesn't that just make you want to smack someone's smug, patronizing face, JEAN? I take satisfaction in knowing that Rosa Parks is still honored, and nobody knows who that guy was.
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« Reply #729 on: December 04, 2009, 01:28:48 PM »
AMEN, Babi.

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« Reply #730 on: December 04, 2009, 01:29:41 PM »
OK, it's not Non-Fiction, but you might enjoy this:


Coming Soon...KIM by Kipling ~ our January Book Club Online.
Let us know you'll be joining us in our discussion.

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« Reply #731 on: December 04, 2009, 01:41:19 PM »
In preparation for leading "Kim" I got a book that was mentioned on SeniorNet a few years ago: Peter Hopkirk's "The Great Game--The Struggle for Empire in Central Asia".  It describes the British efforts to stave off Russia from the boundary of India.  Some of the spy work going on then is part of the story of "Kim".  SeniorNetters liked it; I'll report on it here after I read it.

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« Reply #732 on: December 05, 2009, 01:32:45 PM »
PAT, can you give us a little background on the book discussion of KIM?  Russia, India, G.Britain in a struggle?  I can probably go to a site to find some information myself.  I know India was part of the British Empire and only got their independence after WWII. 

How and when did India become a colony of G.Britain?  What year about?  I always think some background helps to understand a novel, don't you?

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« Reply #733 on: December 05, 2009, 05:31:16 PM »
PatH, let me know how you liked Hopkirk's book. I still have it in one of my TBR piles (for at least 5 months). Maybe I will dig into it before we start on Kim. Good suggestion.


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« Reply #734 on: December 07, 2009, 07:06:50 AM »
Regarding another read concerning "Kim", I just finished "The Game" by Laurie King and it also pertains to India's occupation by GB plus Sherlock Homes search for Kim as an adult.  Yes, its fiction, but a fun read with lots of history concerning Russia, India and GB.  King does stick to truth when it comes to history but adds the hero's story to enhance the reading of history.
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« Reply #735 on: December 07, 2009, 08:30:53 AM »
 I'll be watching for "The Game", ANNIE.  I do like Laurie King, and I'm
interested in finding out what sort of future she imagined for Kim.
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« Reply #736 on: December 07, 2009, 01:25:00 PM »
Last night I watched an interview on C-Span between Brian Lamb and Gladwell (author of Tipping Point, Blink, Outliers, and one other which I can't recall).  Brian Lamb's program is called "Q & A" and is on every Sunday night.  It was an interesting interview.  Gladwell writes for the New York Magazine and said it might be years before he writes another book--maybe never.  Depends entirely on whether he wants/needs to try answering a particular idea/question relating to humans and our environment.  I must get to the library and check out one of his books.

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« Reply #737 on: December 09, 2009, 01:00:05 PM »
Jean,
Our f2f group was informed about Gladwell's interview with Rose.  His newest book is titled, "What the Dog Saw" and its on the NYT best seller list along with "Outliers".  I will be requesting that new book.
Everyone in our group, except Ella who is in hospital, was very entertained by "Outliers".  Now we have been handed the book, "The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society" by Mary Ann Shaffer and Annie Barrows.  Were you in on the discussion that in here?  The book was historical fiction and there were a lot of online pictures and links about the island where it is set. You might enjoy it.  It should be in the Archives.
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« Reply #738 on: December 09, 2009, 01:32:48 PM »
I've put myself in a bind! While "just returning" books to the library yesterday, i glanced at the new book biographies - BIG mistake. I picked up Craig Fergueson's memoir American on Purpose - i just love CF - and I saw a bio about a woman i hadn't heard about before, Mary Austin....................do any of you from the West know of her? She was a writer in the early half of the 20th century, writing a lot about the West and Southwest. She apparently knew ALL the progressives of the time........having .lived in the artists' colony at Carmel and in Paris, at various times. I had not know of her, but she sounds interesting............................Since they are "new books" to the library, i only have 2 weeks to read them! Plus, i'm working on knitting a Christmas wall-hanging and I have Gail Collins' women's history book to read and to get back to my friend................Life is just a bowl of cheeries! and books and knitting! and a grandson is coming tomorrow afternoon, so most of that time will be occupied..........arrrgghhh - when it rains it pours..............O.K. that's enough cliches - on to reading and knitting......................jean

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« Reply #739 on: December 10, 2009, 07:54:27 AM »
You are a busy lady, Jean.  I may have something about Jane Austin in my book about women writers in the West.  I will look today oooooooooor tomorrow!
Knit away, I can hear the needles clicking!

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« Reply #740 on: December 10, 2009, 09:06:27 AM »
Bear in mind, JEAN....IF it's in the library, you don't have to check
it out right now.  It will still be there after the Christmas rush is
over, and January is always a good month to spend indoors reading.
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« Reply #741 on: December 10, 2009, 01:27:03 PM »
Ahhhh, common sense prevails, right??
Jean,
I didn't find your author in my book but maybe you would enjoy it anyway.
Titled "The Women Who Made The West" by the the Western Writers of America, its a pleasure to read.  In it are short bios of women that most of us have never heard of.
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« Reply #742 on: December 10, 2009, 03:06:57 PM »
Annie: That was Mary Austin, not Jane. Don't know if that makes a difference.

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« Reply #743 on: December 10, 2009, 06:06:45 PM »
Yeah, I know, Joan, but I checked on both.  Neither was in the book that I recommended to Jean.  Thanks for your concern.
How's Torrance doing without my bright and cheerful self??
I did love the weather there.
Its 21 degrees out right now at 6:05pm and promises are that it will be single digit tomorrow.  Brrrrrr!
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« Reply #744 on: December 10, 2009, 06:25:40 PM »
Torrance is doing great! But there's a little hole, somewhere on Sepulveda with a sign "Annie was here!"

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« Reply #745 on: December 11, 2009, 06:10:16 AM »
Hohoho!  That must be the pothole that talks on TV for an ad of something or other.  I think she is funny.  Have you seen her??
I forgot to let you all know that Ella's dr may send her home for awhile until her ankle is ready for weight on it and then he will re-admit her.  Her sister, Jeannie, will come from MA to be with her.  I think the dr decides on the 14th or the 21st of Dec. 
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« Reply #746 on: December 12, 2009, 12:34:33 AM »
Ahh Babi, why didn't i think of that!?!  :P I'm so impulsive sometimes.....especially at the LIBRARY.......as i've told you all many times before............it's an addiction..........I probably will be able to renew the Austin book, i'm sure not MANY people will be on a waiting list for it  :D. The Ferguson book i am scurrying thru. It is pretty good, as w/ any good author who writes their own book, i can hear his voice as i read. The middle section did get a little monotonous as he relayed over and over again how many beers/scotch/cocaine he had before going on stage, or how it effected him. But of course he's making his point - he was an alcoholic and drug addict and it controlled him.................i've just gotten to the place where he has come out of rehab........should get more interesting now...........jean

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« Reply #747 on: December 12, 2009, 02:21:44 AM »
hello. I read mostly fiction, but sometimes it is based upon what is really happening in the world and some of that reads like a novel. I've read a couple of the financial mess books that are like that one,  House of Cards, and the other which I'm still picking at FOOLS GOLD.  and then there is one on ROBATICS called WIRED FOR WAR which addresses the developement of robots especially in the military.  but  it's not the kind of thing I see here.
seeya all later
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« Reply #748 on: December 12, 2009, 10:23:55 AM »
Yes, we need to remember that the library has often got many copies and can get to us pretty quick, Jean.  I had to return America's Prophet, both my copy and Ella's but I am back on the request list so I hope to see it again in January.
ClaireHave you read any of the political books or opinion books that the talking heads are alway advertising??  I can't remember any titles at this time as I haven't had my morning tea.  But there look to be a plethora of them available.
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« Reply #749 on: December 12, 2009, 02:04:04 PM »
JEAN, WHAT A NICE BIND TO BE IN

Ann brought me a number of audio books to listen to and am enjoying the MAN WHO LOVED CHINA by Simon Winchester.  But how I miss my weekly visit to the library. 

I just might have to resort to an online bookseller and choose a good biography.  I finished the one about Eiffel of the Eiffel Tower.  He was in a terrible scandal before he died and almost was jailed but managed to eventually out live most of the great inventors and exhibitors of the Paris Exposition.  It was a good book.

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« Reply #750 on: December 12, 2009, 02:09:07 PM »
ANN mentioned the pothole ad on TV, I think it's so funny, I love those voices.  I've watched more TV in this rehab facility than I have watched for 10 years at home.  MERCY!

I don't have any favorites except the news, I skip around; but they don't have BookTV on weekends, darn!

Love reading your posts - keep posting.

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« Reply #751 on: December 12, 2009, 02:11:53 PM »
Gee, Ella - in our system, BookTV is on ONLY on weekends.  I wish it were during the week. :D
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« Reply #752 on: December 13, 2009, 11:04:06 PM »
Same here Mary.....booktv only on week-ends..............

HI  ELLA...........GLAD TO SEE YOU POSTING AGAIN..... How are you feeling?

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« Reply #753 on: December 14, 2009, 02:39:07 PM »
Better every day, JEAN.  Thanks for asking.  It's my darn foot that is broken and taking time to heal.  Time, time.....................

My daughter went to the Libray and brought some books; among them a biography of Bonnie and Clyde.  Goodness, the poverty of his home llife, which certainly reinforces the fact that poverty breeds crime.

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« Reply #754 on: December 29, 2009, 02:40:12 PM »
Since I rarely read anything other than fiction I drop in here on occasion to see what's what and to share when I find something I like which has  Dewey Decimal Number on the spine instead of the author's surname.  Mostly it is science or technology.  The one I'm reading now, The Cuckoo's Egg (by Cliff Stoll), is a who dunnit about the early days of the internet and computer hacking, the bad kind, the breading and entering hacking, not the creative hacking where  someone devises a new use for old software.  Cliff is an astronomer at Lawrence Berkeley Lab who is transfered to the computer department when his grant runs out.  He's handed  problem the first day: there is an unidentified charge of 75 cents and he must track it down to its source to balance the books.  He tries to track this glitch and the quest leaves him unsatisfied as he learns that someone is able to bypass  what we now call firewalls and traipse through the files of computer systems such as NSA, CIA, White Sands Missile Range, etc., etc.  This takes place in historical times, 1985, when the internet had maybe 100,000 users.  Although there's lots of explanations about computer systems on the administrator level, I find myself captivated.  I may not understand what he's writing but he makes it interesting.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg_(book)

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« Reply #755 on: December 29, 2009, 11:36:23 PM »
I enjoyed The Cuckoo's Egg too, mrssherlock. Thanks for mentioning it.

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« Reply #756 on: December 30, 2009, 10:06:04 AM »
Yes, "The Cuckoo's Egg" was a delight and eye opener to read.  I wonder if Stoll has another book out?
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« Reply #757 on: December 30, 2009, 09:21:59 PM »
I have "The Cuckoo's Egg" and have read it several times. I have also seen the TV program based on it (done by PBS, I think). Cliff is as wacky and charming on TV as in the book.

In the book, he talks about the time a college computer-hacker accidently shut down allmost all computer systems. I remember it well -- I was working on one of the systems that got shut down.

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« Reply #758 on: December 31, 2009, 10:38:38 AM »
There are three books reserved at my Library:  one about Bernie Madoff (need I tell anyone who he is?);  a biography of Ayn Rand by Ann C. Heller (featured in my paper); and a Clarence Darrow book, which my sister wants to read.  As I am housebound and in a wheelchair for the time being, I am hoping that the Library will get them to my branch for pickup on Saturday as a home health aide is coming then to help us (my sister who is staying with me until I can walk).  Neither my 84 year old sister or myself ever expected to be in this position or this age, for that matter.  Life can be very interesting, can it not?

So what are you reading over the holidays?  DO TELL!

AND HAVE A WONDERFUL NEW YEAR EVERYONE!

Any New Year's resolutions floating around?  Any that you expect to keep?


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« Reply #759 on: December 31, 2009, 01:15:59 PM »
in parallel with reading Kipling's  Kim which we will begin discussing tomorrow, I've been reading about the Great Game, the confrontation between Russia and Britain over the frontier which includes Afghanistan, Tibet, the Punjab.  Alternating between two books, Hopkirk's The Great Game and Maer's Tournament of Shadows.  As I'm reading I'm wondering what they study in the war college and West Point about Afghanistan.  While there is incredible prejudice on the part of the Brits, Afghan politics is like a Hydra, multiplied many time over. 
Jackie
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