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Babi

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« Reply #920 on: March 18, 2010, 08:41:57 AM »


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« Reply #921 on: March 18, 2010, 08:38:28 PM »
An interesting list of books, DONNAMO. I've read the last three (have an autographed copy of "Tis", but not the others.

If you read "Tis", you might like his first, "Angela's Ashes" about his boyhood in Ireland. I found it even better.

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« Reply #922 on: March 19, 2010, 02:31:49 PM »
And then, Joan and Donna, there's "Teacher Man" which is about his many years at a popular high school in Manhattan.
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« Reply #923 on: March 23, 2010, 12:31:52 PM »
I'm excited by a new book about Jane Austen, Jane's Fame: How Jane Austen Conquered the World., by Claire Harman.  http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125015157
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« Reply #924 on: March 30, 2010, 08:04:26 PM »
Jackie, I hope you'll give us your review of the Austen book when you've read it.  I'm a real Austen nut.  My TBR pile includes "Jane Austen and the Navy" by Brian Southam, which I suspect is of interest only to fans of seafaring conventions of 200 years ago (I'm one).

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« Reply #925 on: March 31, 2010, 03:51:43 PM »

IMO, Angela's Ashes is by far McCourt's best book.  It so happens that the movie  was on last night on WGN-A here and I  loved it all over again.
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« Reply #926 on: April 01, 2010, 07:58:40 AM »
We came upon the movie last week but it had already started so decided to await a repeat.  Have never seen it.
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« Reply #927 on: April 07, 2010, 05:25:46 PM »
I'm just 40 pages into a book titled The Stranger and the Statesman: James Smithson and John Quincy Adams and the making of America's Greatest Museum by Nina Burleigh

I don't know how it will play out, but the beginning has been interesting. Smithson had never been to the U.S. or known anyone from the U.S. when he willed what would be $50 million dollars today to fund at Washington D.C., an institution "for the increase & diffusion of Knowledge among men."

It starts out telling how Alexander and Mabel Bell traveled to Italy to save Smithson's grave from tumbling into the Mediterranean, to bring the body back to the U.S. I have learned a lot of interesting tidbits. I didn't know that A.G. Bell not only invented the telephone, but he was responsible for a variety of "firsts," including the first hydrofoil, the first respirator, the first practical phonograph and the first metal detector (designed in frantic haste to locate the assassin's bullet in Pres Garfield) and he was involved w/ early experiments in flight.

Apparently there was some major battles about whether to accept the bequest and whether to accept Smithson's body and where to put it, what kind of a facility would hold it, from something bigger than the Jefferson Memorial to a recycled Syrian sarcophagus, that became the final resting place to the left of the entrance to the "Castle" at the Smithsonian.

The first half of the book is about how Smithson - a bastard son of Lord Northumberland - got his money, and the second half about how JQAdams championed the Institution.  

Chapter 2 begins on July 2, 1761 when the Earl and countess of Northumberland arrive in Bath. Now, we've seen some very pretty pictures of Bath in the Austen movies, but the description in the book, makes one pause. It does say "the city was beautiful and sophisticated.....graceful sandstone buildings.....curving streets....Bath waters had been considered curative since Roman times.....in the 18th century science still had not yet recognized the importance of sanitatioin. ....the truly ill, especially people w/ virulent skin diseases, floated and defoliated alongside the well. ....liable to share pool space w/ dead animals and even human feces. The ladies who sipped the supposedly curative water....were essentially drinking the same fluid in which the bathers relieved themselves."!!!!

Sorry if that sickens you, but we see these beautiful movie scenes and forget what real live ws like......I would start my history classes by saying to the students "you live in the best of times,"  and asked if any disagreed w/ me. They would, of course, but when i asked them again at the end of the semester, more agreed w/ me...............i'll bring you more of the book later.................jean

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« Reply #928 on: April 07, 2010, 06:24:20 PM »
Having been to the Castle in the Smithsonian many times, I never noticed a grave near the entrance. That's fascinating!!

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« Reply #929 on: April 07, 2010, 06:54:47 PM »
Thanks, jean - I've just ordered that from Amazon.  It wasn't on Kindle, but I bought a used hardback for something less than $6.00 (including shipping).  :D
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« Reply #930 on: April 08, 2010, 10:25:54 PM »
Well, blessings on Mr. Smithson (or Lord S, as the case may be.). The Smithsonian introduced me to many of the wonders of the world when I was a child, and did the same, I hope, for my children.

mabel1015j

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« Reply #931 on: April 09, 2010, 02:24:43 PM »
Apparently, England before Victoria was much less staid and virtuous than we think of in the Victoria era. James mother's experience - being a young widow, having an affair w/ the Duke of Northumberland, being enceinte and going off to Paris to deliver the child was not so uncommon. The French were comfortable w/ these pregnant English women according to Burleigh.

 Much of what she writes and describes are generalizations about the people and the time since she has little about the Percys and Smithsons in particular, but i find it very interesting. She describes Paris as filled w/ cafes, where London has only men's clubs, and selective men's clubs, while women are relegated to parlors of there own and not involved in the public discourse as they are in France. However, Paris is VERY smelly having only one sewer system which flowed into the SEine. Most sewage was put into the streets.

Smithson's mother was very independent, strong and knowledgable about the law. She fought her second husband who was trying to get all of her property - 1000 acres in England. He died fortuitously before he accomplished his mission. She was an astute business woman and increased the bounty she inherited from her family and her first husband and apparently there are many lawsuits to come - i'm not sure about what....................jean

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« Reply #932 on: April 09, 2010, 09:13:19 PM »
Maryz - have you read Vivian Stringer's auto bio? I'm just about finished w/ it and i think you might enjoy it, being a women's basketball fan......there's a lot about her philosophy of life and coaching in it. I'm going to give it to my son, the coach, when i finish........jean

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« Reply #933 on: April 09, 2010, 11:44:58 PM »
Haven't seen that, jean - thanks.  I'll check our library.
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« Reply #934 on: April 10, 2010, 01:15:57 PM »
Ella, Babi asked that I mention an autobiography I recently read titled The Seventh Muse regarding the rise of a young man from near poverty conditions to president of Auburn University.  The book is rated five stars on Amazon and I think it's one of the most compelling accounts of what a person can do if reared in a supportive environment and sufficiently motivated, regardless of one's financial means.  It's also current in that the author resides in retirement in Cincinnati.

mabel1015j

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« Reply #935 on: April 12, 2010, 02:39:16 PM »
The book about James Smithson has led me to Goggle sev'l things. Here is some interesting pics of the Alnwick Castle in northern England which was the home of the Duke and Duchess of Northumberland, James paternal family.

http://www.alnwickcastle.com/media/photo-gallery

If you goggle Alnwick  you see other info about it including that it was used for some of the Harry Potter movies. It is still a residential castle after 700 yrs.  You can stay in an Alnwick Castle cottage and recently the Duchess of N renovated the gardens which look like they are beautiful.
And you can get married there, apparently that has become a trend at English castles ..........

http://www.alnwickcastle.com/visiting-us/the-alnwick-garden

Here is a link to his mother's family's castle, Hungerford Castle. This is a reconstruction drawing, but you can click on the other pics to see the real thing.
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/server/show/nav.16178/chosenImageId/9

This book is interesting. I haven't gotten to the JQAdams story yet, altho JS just died, so i should "hear" of JQ soon. If anyone is at all interested in science history of the late 18th century, especially of chemistry and geology, you will probably find it fascinating. James was a strange character, not much into human relationships -TIC- but i'm learning a lot about the period and the scienctific community of the period. .................... jean

mabel1015j

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« Reply #936 on: April 12, 2010, 02:45:42 PM »
This is interesting............one of the places that James Smithson explored in his mineral/geological quest was the island of Staffa off the coast of Scotland where there are colossal vertical green-gray and black basalt columns - cooled lava from an ancient undersea volcano - which form the island's base. I couldn't picture in my mind what that would look like so i goggled and here is a picture.

http://www.salenpierhouse.co.uk/Staffa.jpg


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« Reply #937 on: April 12, 2010, 02:49:31 PM »
Thanks for sharing that amazing photo, mabel. Those structures are fantastic and the green color is wonderful.

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« Reply #938 on: April 12, 2010, 03:19:17 PM »
Jean, the photo reminded me of Mendessohn's Hebrides Overture (Fingal's Cave). So when I looked it up? Guess what! Same place. I am listening to it now on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0jxiUq9c4k&feature=related

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« Reply #939 on: April 12, 2010, 09:04:00 PM »
Steffa is amazing! I goggled, too. ;)

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« Reply #940 on: April 13, 2010, 07:15:09 AM »
JoanK,
Did you wear your goggles to google or was that goggle??  LOL!  Just kidding!

I am loving those links that Mable placed here.  Love the library in the Alnwick Castle and the garden.
And, the inside of Hungerford Castle.!

The book about the rise of one young man to the top sounds very interesting and timely, Jim.
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Babi

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« Reply #941 on: April 13, 2010, 08:38:11 AM »
ELLA, did you see JimNT's post (#934, I think)?  That book looks interesting, about a young
man's struggles from poverty to President of Auburn University.
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« Reply #942 on: April 13, 2010, 04:27:23 PM »
Annie: "Did you wear your goggles to google or was that goggle?? " No, but I giggled. ;)

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« Reply #943 on: April 14, 2010, 07:19:37 AM »
JoanK,
Tee hee!!
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« Reply #944 on: April 25, 2010, 11:28:45 AM »
JIMNT and BABI.  That book sounds very interesting.   My library does not have a copy of it, but next visit to a bookstore I will look it up.

Fantastic, Jean, just fantastic photos!

mabel1015j

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« Reply #945 on: April 26, 2010, 12:41:33 PM »
I haven't seen Harold in here recently, but i tho't about him when i picked up a book at the library earlier in the week. It is a fiction book, but it's about his neck of the woods - Texas!

Janice Woods Windle wrote a great historical novel about Texas pioneers in the 19th century called True Women, so when i was this book by her, i checked it out. It's titled Will's War. Both books are based on her ancestors stories. This one was inspired by a court transcript she found about her grandfather's (?) trial during WWI. He was a German-Texan who supported a farmers and workers union and 50-some of them were accused of threatening to kill Woodrow Wilson and other officials. It sounds as tho it may be a trumped up charge based on the anger against Germans and populists - fear of socialism - the more things change..........amazing isn't it?

I've just gotten into the trial, but it sounds like 2 very good attorneys facing off against each other and she's using the very words from the court transcript.......................sounds like something Harold might know about, or enjoy, as well as the rest of you............jean


Babi

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« Reply #946 on: April 27, 2010, 08:45:31 AM »
 Harold is spending much of his time now as co-leader in "Troublesome
Young Men", JEAN. Very thorough and conscientious, our Harold. When I'm in
there today, I'll tell him you're looking for him in Non-Fiction.
  My great grand-father was Austrian-American.  I don't know whether he immigrated or
was born here.   I do know he dropped the 'Von' from his name.  My grandmother had a sort
of journal/scrapbook of his which included a song,  apparently to be sung to the tune of "The
Battle Hymn of the Republic".   Not a great song, mind you,..more like a patriotic effort. All I can remember of it is some of the opening:  "Our Uncle Sammy told us we must go and fight the Hun,  (da-da-da-da) and put him on the run."  Sadly, that journal was lost after my mother
died, when Dad was clearing out the house to move. 
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mabel1015j

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« Reply #947 on: April 29, 2010, 05:16:45 AM »


Thanks for that info Babi.

I have some GErman ancestors who came in the last half of the 19th century, but i never heard any stories about how they were treated during WWI. Of course, they were living in Pa close to where the Pa "Dutch" were, so maybe people were more tolerant there......oh, another one of those things i wish i had asked the previous generation before they were all gone...........sigh...............jean

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« Reply #948 on: April 29, 2010, 09:53:33 AM »
Me,too, Jean.
Mine started arriving in 1850's.  They were from Wurthenberg and Badin which are near or in the Black Forest.
I did find out where they landed when they arrived by boat.   In New Orleans, of all places.  Seems that they wanted to travel up the Mississippi River to the Cinncinati area.  They first settled in Hamilton, OH, but soon moved on to a farm near Union City, IN, in Randolph county. I have even been able to have a copy of the marriage and who performed it sent to me from a county historical area.
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« Reply #949 on: April 29, 2010, 01:07:00 PM »
Ado, my husband was surprised to discover from his then-90-year-old grandfather that the family had emigrated to the US from Germany via New Orleans (not Ellis Island) about that same time.  He said that the ships carried cotton from New Orleans to Germany and Germans to the US.  The newcomers took the riverboats up the Mississippi - the easiest way to travel - before transcontinental trains), and settled the fertile farmland along the river.  Every city of any size along the Mississippi and its tributaries has an area called "Germantown".  In my state, Memphis and Nashville have "Germantowns".  
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« Reply #950 on: April 29, 2010, 05:44:50 PM »
Well, MaryZ,
Thanks for the update on our German relatives and their traveling.  I knew some of the info but had not heard about the ships taking cotton to Germany and then Germans to New Orleans.  I do think that maybe part of my family was already in Union City, IN.  My ggrandfather fought in the Civil War,too, as a Yankee.  He has a grave marker from the VFWs.   His name was Fidel or Fidelus or Fedelis Higi.   
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« Reply #951 on: May 02, 2010, 09:44:28 PM »
I went shopping for other things yesterday. One of my stops was Ollie's ("Good Stuff Cheap") and ended up digging in their pile of books  :o. And I do mean pile. Books stacked up or piled with not much category sorting. I came out with a resource book on Ubuntu/Linux and Roger Knight's  The Pursuit of Victory. The life and achievement of Horatio Nelson. What a tome. Roger Knight is known for his expertise on naval history and especially renowned as a Nelson scholar. 

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« Reply #952 on: May 03, 2010, 02:47:09 PM »
I just bought a new, non fiction book called:  "George, Nicholas and Wilkhelm".  By  Miranda Carter.  It begins in 1859, up to the beginning of WWI.  Each of the main players is the grandson of Queen Victoria.  I just finished the introduction, and it grabbed me!  So, I am looking forward to reading the rest of it.

Sheila

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« Reply #953 on: May 04, 2010, 10:49:12 AM »
Sheila, my library does not have that book yet.  I have an idea it is too new, but they will. I have read about those cousins before; how they fought among themselves and left Nicholas alone in his hour of need. 

While looking up that book I noticed Miranda Carter got a couple of awards for writing the book Anthony Blunt, so I reserved that at the library.  It starts as follows:

"From the moment of his exposure as a former Russian spy by the Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher, in November 1979, Anthony Blunt became a man about whom anything could be said."

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« Reply #954 on: May 04, 2010, 11:25:03 AM »
Sheila - after you read Geo et al, you might be interested in reading Grandmama of Europe; the crowned descendants of Queen Victoria / Theo Aronson. I read it decades ago and was surprised at how many European royalty were descendants of Q Victoria. As i recall it was an interesting read also................jean

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« Reply #955 on: May 04, 2010, 04:22:20 PM »
ELLA,and JEAN, thank you for your book, reccomendations.  I will check them out on my Kindle.  They both sound very interesting. 

I just ordered a book, called:  "The Duchess of Windsor", by Charles Higham.  I have always wondered about her.  Why did she appeal so much to the King?  Why was he willing to abdicate for her?  Were they happy living in exile?  I wonder if she felt it was worth it?

Sheila

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« Reply #956 on: May 05, 2010, 08:13:04 AM »
  According to the rumor and gossip....and it must have been rife for me to have picked up on
it...the Duchess had looked forward to being Queen and pretty much made life hell for Edward.
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« Reply #957 on: May 05, 2010, 11:40:59 AM »
Donnamo asked:
Is anyone else here a slow reader?  I have many friends that go through books so fast and it just amazes me.  I read the same pace silently as I do out loud.  I've tried reading faster, but when I do I am not able to paint the mental pictures in my head as I always do when I read.

I think I read at an average pace.  Nonfiction books take much longer for me to read because I take more notes.  And one subject leads me to another, and I'm always looking things up that are referred to in the book.  So I can probably read three fiction books to one nonfiction (especially when it involves history.)

Marj
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« Reply #958 on: May 05, 2010, 12:03:15 PM »
That book, GEORGE, NICHOLAS AND WILHELM sounds very interesting Sheila.  I've put it on hold at my library.  The book Jean mentioned about Queen Victoria also sounded interesting, but I couldn't find at Amazon or the library.  Is it a new one?

Marj
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« Reply #959 on: May 05, 2010, 12:14:54 PM »
I just finished an interesting book: 
BAD BOY; THE LIFE AND POLITICS OF LEE ATWATER by John Brady.  Very good. Atwater was notorious back in the 1980s for turning national politics into blood sport, not only using nasty attacks but reveling in his image as the bad boy of Washington.  He was Bush Sr.'s campaign adviser and is credited with helping Bush beat Dukakis with the Willie Horton issue.

Atwater was also a bit of a hell raiser in high school.  In his English class he did a book report on the telephone directory.  He said "It jumped around too much from character to character without sustaining any of them" and predicted "it would have to be revised next year."  He got a D for content, an A for originality.  On another occasion, he gave an oral report on The Hunchback of Notre Dame -- as a football saga.

Marj
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