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ginny

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« Reply #9440 on: October 02, 2012, 04:20:29 PM »

The Library

Our library cafe is open 24/7, the welcome mat is always out.
Do come in from daily chores and spend some time with us.

We look forward to hearing from you, about you and the books you are enjoying (or not).


Let the book talk begin here!



What a cute idea, Rosemary!

South Carolina: "sweet tea, " (iced tea with lots of sweeteners) , lemonade, caramel cake (very difficult to make properly), deviled eggs, peach pie or peach crumble pie,  pecan pie, pecan chocolate pie. I had a very elderly grape customer last week bring us a quarter of a Cuckoo Cake which I have never tasted the like of before or since. I can't recall the name of that cake  Judy got in Charleston, Pedln, but it was the same kind. It's obviously done here a lot, tons of ingredients, very moist, incredible cake. Some people here like those red velvet cakes but I think they are not good for your health.  "Chewy cake." ( bar like things).
 

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« Reply #9441 on: October 02, 2012, 04:45:48 PM »
They spent many millions of dollars adding on addition to our 170  year old library here close bye me. Had a meeting about what it needed. They did have a book reading group.  I suggested, along with volunteering to take a small area and have a small tea shop.  I have dozens of teapots I would add so than people could just choose any one. Call it "The Teapot cafe" serve at 4pm.  I even have the experience from being English.  But No , they decided to put in this fancy coffee bar. Using a outside company.  Just does not have any kind of inviting feeling  at all and only one table if people want to sit.  The book club is away from it stuck in a small room with the door closed.  Not many attend. I did for a while but very little about books was brought up.  More chit chat.

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« Reply #9442 on: October 02, 2012, 05:57:00 PM »
This is the only request i have for my upcoming birthday - a 7- layer caramel cake from Caroline's, to DIE for.....yuuumm. Yes, it is expensive, but the DH and dgt and son can divide the cost, & i'm asking for nothing else!?! They can handle it once a year. :D

http://www.carolinescakes.com/All-of-Carolines-Cakes/products/39/

Rosemary, are any of Mary Alice Malone or Ann Siddon's books available in your libraries? Their books are all about relationships between various relatives or friends and set in the Carolinas. Any of the three books you mentioned would be very good.

MaryPage

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« Reply #9443 on: October 02, 2012, 07:17:53 PM »
I buy Caroline's cakes as well.  She has a store here in Annapolis.  Her cakes are as South Carolina as you can get.

http://www.carolinescakes.com/All-of-Carolines-Cakes/products/39/

Her 7 layer caramel is her signature cake.  I am crazy about her coconut cakes, but the cake I think she calls Montana Gold, a deep chocolate cake with caramel icing, is my personal favorite.

They are not expensive for the quality that you get.

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« Reply #9444 on: October 03, 2012, 08:35:02 AM »
Rosemary.. twopies I consider the prototype of south.. Pecan Pie ( my favorite is a variant Chocolate Pecan Pie)and Key Lime Pie..Both are great and indicate the souths passion for super sweet. South.. hmm.. Margaret Maron...Sharon McCrumb are very very southern and mystery writers..Lee Smith is a mountain writer and good.. Fannie Flagg is you can find her is very southern and very funny. Southerns are attached to biscuits( bread, not cookies)   Served with honey or jam, they are heavenly.. They are also served with Country Ham, but I suspect that is impossible in Scotland or anywhere but the south. Carson McCullers is also an excellent writer who has some very very interesting things to say about the south.
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« Reply #9445 on: October 03, 2012, 08:36:03 AM »
oops forgot.We ate so darned much that week in Charleston that I cannot remember the name of the cake.. We simply ate our way all over Charleston and the Island ( except for Ginny hating the bridge)
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« Reply #9446 on: October 03, 2012, 09:43:54 AM »
  My only thought, ROSEMARY, is that if you introduce "To Kill a Mockingbird" and "The Help",
I hope they will also read some more contemporary works showing that things have changed quite
a bit, and that our African-American citizens have come a very long way indeed.
  Can't really suggest any South Carolina cuisine. Shrimp and grits doesn't really fit into
your simple snacks with tea.  Iced tea, of course, would be a typical drink. I prefer mine
with lemon, no sugar, but that's entirely optional. The ladies might find it an interesting
alternative to a hot 'cuppa'.
  I always thought of pecan pie as Texan, since we have so many pecans. But of course, it's
popular all over the South. Peach pie or cobbler is also very popular. I don't know about
prices where you are, ROSEMARY, but I imagine peaches might be cheaper than pecans.

 Don't be sad, JEANNE. Americans love their coffee just as the English love their tea. The
coffee bar will probably be very popular.

  Darn, I'm getting hungry!  Haven't had my breakfast yet.  Hmm..definitely cheese grits for breakfast!
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« Reply #9447 on: October 03, 2012, 11:32:35 AM »
I just finished Jodi Picoult's book - THE LONE WOLF.  Very good.  I haven't read a good book lately so it was a good find.  Has anyone else read it?

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« Reply #9448 on: October 03, 2012, 09:47:20 PM »
I also enjoyed -The Lone Wolf.  Love all of her books

Steph

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« Reply #9449 on: October 04, 2012, 08:37:01 AM »
Picoult is an up and down writer for me. Some I have liked, some I have not and many, I have hated the ending. She has the darndest endings in most of the books. No relationship to the book.. I have an older one I had never seen b efore.. Harvesting the Heart and I pick it up and read some, but it is slow indeed.. plus the heroine makes me want to shake her.
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« Reply #9450 on: October 04, 2012, 01:16:46 PM »
Two brief announcements for the Library Bulletin Board...

1. This week we are discussing the first Act of Shakespeare's The Tempest.   Plenty of time for you to catch up if you had been intending to join the October Book Club Online discussion.

2. The Nominations for the November group discussion can be found in the heading of the Suggestion Box  There are some goldne oldies nominated  - as well as some new ones.  The titles in the heading are all linked to reviews in case you haven't heard of them. 
Keep in mind too that the Nominations are still open for a few more days.  We'd love to hear from you about a book you'd like to discuss with a group.

rosemarykaye

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« Reply #9451 on: October 04, 2012, 01:37:25 PM »
Thank you so much for all these ideas, both literary and culinary!  I will have a good look at them over the weekend. 

Good point about then and now, Babi.  Do you have any suggestions for books about 'now'?

Thanks again everyone,

Rosemary

Babi

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« Reply #9452 on: October 04, 2012, 08:18:14 PM »
  Not off-hand, ROSEMARY,  but I'll give it some thought.  Anyone else got some ideas on that?
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« Reply #9453 on: October 04, 2012, 09:32:49 PM »
Rosemary that is a difficult concept - today there are any number of Urban stories dealing with the life style that results from poverty and the drug culture which seem to go hand in hand in the Urban Black Community - however, that represents only a percentage of Blacks - there are the many who are college graduates living a contemporary life not identified by their Black Cultural Heritage, much as the many immigrant groups that first and second generation speak, eat, and live in communities as they did in the old country. Blacks had lived close together and were denied opportunities so their communities had a distinct culture without the upward mobility as a goal that would be typical of other ethnic groups.

Then the generation comes along that breaks through the past and yes, they continue to enjoy the foods and traditions but they are part of the mainstream so that any novel turned into a movie the characters in the story could be Black, Jewish, actors who resemble the heritage of their parents from Ireland, Poland, Italy etc.  and so, to write a novel giving a picture of a Black family today is difficult - However, there are many Biographies, including the one by President Obama that speak to the Black cultural, economic, political success journey -

This site I think gives a nice snapshot of Black Literature -
http://www.southernspaces.org/2004/genres-southern-literature

And here are two sites with links to Biographies of Black men and women who achieved recognition and success.
http://www.biography.com/people/groups/black-history/

http://www.factmonster.com/spot/bhmbios1.html
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« Reply #9454 on: October 04, 2012, 09:41:47 PM »
I really liked Clyde Edgerton's Walking Across Egypt. It's not a new book and it is probably impossible to get, but I liked it, and it's modern, I guess.

Rosemary if your library has The Help, I'd read it. I tried for a long time not to read it and loved it when I finally did. . I'd read it. It's powerfully written and there's a lot to talk about in it.


Babi

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« Reply #9455 on: October 05, 2012, 08:08:17 AM »
That listing of African-American biographies looks especially promising, BARB. I read
Obama's "Dreams of My Father". It was quite good, and left me with a very favorable
impression of the man who wrote it.

  One of the things I particularly liked about "The Help" was the way it made the
various characters real, living women for us. We could laugh, get angry, or cry at the
events of their lives.
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Steph

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« Reply #9456 on: October 05, 2012, 09:33:12 AM »
I like several of Clyde Edgerton.. He is a good writer.The thing about now in literature is that the integration of society in books is sort of slid by.. You can read things about blacks in their own eyes..Blues for MR. Charlie, which I read many years ago is good in that light.
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« Reply #9457 on: October 05, 2012, 11:08:26 AM »
Ok Tidbit that changes the subject - I said I would report my opinion on Rowling's new adult fiction, The Casual Vacancy - thumbs down - too many issues - the poor - the drugs - the fight for power among the villages - family abuse in the middle class that terrorizes kids - boys coming of age - tolerance, or rather lack of - race - disappointments in marriages and how that is handled or not handled - legal issues - obesity and its problems - weak women versus strong women - in-law problems - the aged - lecherous male shopkeeper - politics - class stereotype - computer literacy - secrets - revenge - pompous righteousness and squaller  

Any one or two issues would have made a nice compact readable book as we read Major Pettigrew's Last Stand where one issue dominated the story - Actually, after seeing Half the Sky on PBS this week the book is a piece of cake - but not a joy to pick up after setting it down for awhile -  if it was a book you could read straight through in a day or two you could close the cover after reading the last page with a distant look to take it in finishing it off with a feeling of satisfaction. I read over two thirds last weekend and then set it aside to get into The Tempest - Last night I picked it up to finish it off and it was like pulling teeth to get into it again -

I love JK Rowling's - I see flashes of her writing style as we experienced in Harry's series. I really wanted to like this book knowing full well there would be no fantasy world conjured for our imagination - According to an interview or two with JK Rowling's there is much about the story that is her life - and yes, in life there are many issues, dramas, abuses, terrorizing moments but putting them all in one story is like being hit by a hundred strobe lights at once.

Part of the problem is she is playing one life experience against another that is lived under different personal history, economics and experiences of abuse. She does a good job of showing just how abusive are many middle class families lives hidden behind the privacy of home ownership, an acceptable wardrobe, and acting the "right" way in public.  

The overarching story line reminds me of Joyce's Ulysses over-ridden with bits of A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man - maybe because of my own Catholic upbringing I could see so much humor in A Portrait... I am not finding myself chuckling while reading The Casual Vacancy and rather than the boredom of a day being the central theme as in Joyce's Ulysses this is jammed packed with incident after incident, some horrifying, outrageous or funny over a period of weeks and remembered years. The story is a journey of relationships and reactions to life bumping along affecting the whole, like Ulysses taking place within a village and its near surroundings. However, a Ulysses it is not!
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Babi

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« Reply #9458 on: October 06, 2012, 08:38:15 AM »
  Thanks, BARB.  I won't waste my reading time forcing my way through that one.  Too many
I could be enjoying out there.
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Steph

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« Reply #9459 on: October 06, 2012, 08:41:20 AM »
That puts the Rowling far down on my list. I dont need depression and downers.. Never have been a fan of that type of fiction.
I have been thinking of Rosemary problem. Actually England has just as many race problems as we have ever had. I know the last time we were in London. the rumbles were getting fierce.. A lot of veiled women and glowering men.. the Brits are more laid back than that. We stayed in a Hilton medium high end, but were surrounded just off the Marble Arch with Arabs left and right and I really was unhappy with the men who simply stride through you since you are a lowly woman.. Not a hotel I would use again and it was nice inside.. But just walking the few blocks to the Arch was a really difficult task. It was like being in a middleeast souk.. Bah..
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« Reply #9460 on: October 06, 2012, 08:30:49 PM »
World changing everywhere now. UK surprises me more and more every time I go home.  Same in Europe also.  The UK have put a stop to women wearing the Veils when out among the public. Stores etc.  They demanded that they girls could cover their heads and not wear the school uniforms like was normal. At least up in the North they said no to that.  Men can't wear the Turban head gear on most jobs.

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« Reply #9461 on: October 07, 2012, 08:50:28 AM »
The Sikh headgear was prominent in Edinburgh and Glasgow last fall, but nowhere else that I saw in Scotland. They are nice though. Generally so courteous and polite.. I meant the men that stare at you like you are some sort of horror for not being covered ..
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« Reply #9462 on: October 07, 2012, 09:40:13 AM »
A few months back a Sikh temple here in the use was torched. The perpetrator, it was supposed, thought they were Muslim. Sikhs are not Muslim. Apparently there a lot of people who don't know that. Surprised me. I have known that since sixth grade at least.


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« Reply #9463 on: October 07, 2012, 11:20:27 AM »
Ignorance is such a mark of of bullying and belligerence and hate spewing and violent deeds.  A characteristic of the human species, to which I belong, that gives me much sorrow and drains me of much hope.

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« Reply #9464 on: October 07, 2012, 11:56:07 AM »
Ditto, MaryPage.

I  ride such a roller coaster of happiness and depression of whether society is progressing emotionally about udestanding each other and accepting differences. Obviously Obama's election night was a high, but the nasty statements of negative racial overtones are sad. Some members of society seem incapable of being rational and thinking things through before they speak. Of course, we are hearing about every statement since the 24/7 news programs have to fill their airtime.

It sometimes feels like people have to have someone else to be angry at, the "other" as some esteemed sociologist once said. Any target who pops up gets nastiness lobbed at them, sometimes violently attacked. Race, religion, nationality, clan, tribe, gender, those people across the river or over the mountain - all can generate a feeling of "other".

As MaryPage said, it can be very depressing. But then i look at our family, we have Blacks,Whites, Hispanics, gays, feminists and all are accepted, even by those who a generation ago would have been appalled! Even 15 yrs ago some would have been likely to make anti-gay remarks, now they are likely to calmly suggest to someone else who does so that their remarks are not appropriate. Even among the younger generation occasionally someone will make an anti-East Asian comment and another will call them on it. I feel so proud when that happens.

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« Reply #9465 on: October 07, 2012, 12:30:24 PM »
I finished Clara and Mr Tiffany, but am still reading your discussion from the spring. One of the sites one of you linked to was this one w/ interviews with authors. I thought some of you who might not have been in the discussion, like me, might like to look at it.

http://www.authorlink.com/articles/interviewindex.php

BTW, i loved the book and looking at all the links you provided to see the Tiffany art and the stories about Clara and the Tiffany Girls. They are wonderful.

I suggested to a quilter friend that she might like it, i see the making of the glasswork - designing, choosing colors, cutting pieces to fit the design, etc, as very similar to quilting.

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« Reply #9466 on: October 07, 2012, 07:31:31 PM »
Wasn't that a great discussion, Jean.  So much interesting material!

I came in to tell you that the  vote just opened for November's featured book discussion.  As some of the titles may be unfamiliar to you, please read the reviews in the heading of the Suggestion Box before going into the Ballot Box.  Thanks, everyone!

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« Reply #9467 on: October 08, 2012, 03:09:11 AM »
Thanks again everyone for all your marvellous ideas.

Steph, I agree, the UK has just as many race issues - the reason I was asking about the US in particular was just that we had been reading The Secret Life of Bees.

I would like to widen the f-to-f book group discussion out into other areas - including how these issues are dealt with in other countries' (the UK, France, etc) literature, but our librarian is very keen that the group should be kept 'simple' at least at first.  I don't know if she's right, but she has far more experience than I do, so I need to keep within her parameters - she is very nice and has been very good about setting up the group in the first place.

I am also worried that i will come across as the bossy 'teacher' person if I say too much!  I know quite a few middle aged women who are so bursting with information that they sort of bombard you with it (no-one here, I hasten to add - these are people I know 'in the flesh') - they don't mean to, but they end up putting people off because it's like a barrage.   So I am trying to walk a middle line, and keep reminding myself that I am not in charge!  Think I must be a frustrated teacher - although it's a good thing I never was one, as I would be utterly hopeless at discipline, especially in our schools now.

Having said that, I am certainly going to tell them about all your great suggestions - I will try to put together a list, then they can take it or leave it.

The other book we read, 'The Five People You Meet in Heaven', didn't do much for me at all, so I'll see what the others have to say about that. Also, I'm not sure how you could really widen the discussion from it - it's a bit of a stand-alone thing.

Thanks again everyone,

Rosemary

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« Reply #9468 on: October 08, 2012, 08:48:16 AM »
This article is about whether or not you can pass on your digital music collection when you die, but I was wondering the same about books.
http://www.komando.com/tips/index.aspx?id=13247&utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2012-10-08-article&utm_campaign=end-d&page=1

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« Reply #9469 on: October 08, 2012, 08:56:03 AM »
Digging into my TBR pile yesterday, came up with The Queen of Tambourines by Jane Gardam.. I had gotten it because I liked a book we read here by her.. Something about Old Filth.. remember him.The book is wonderful thus far.. It is all letters and a woman whotruly is a puzzle, but you feel for her.She means well, but seems to stumble along from disaster to disaster, but I am compelled to keep reading.. Has anyone else read this one??
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« Reply #9470 on: October 08, 2012, 09:09:51 AM »
 It sometimes feels like people have to have someone else to be angry at  I think that's
true, JEAN. Not only that, but it also seems that people need someone to whom they
can feel superior. Those who don't have much going for them, economicaly, socially,
whatever...look for someone or some group of whom they can say, "I'm better than they
are."  And they may maintain that 'superiority' viciously.
  I think the strides that have been made in acceptance of gay relatiionships can be
credited to the opening of the closets, the insistance on a hearing, and plain re-education
on the subject. Ignorance! The root of so much irrational hatred.

 Your librarian is probably right, ROSEMARY. The average reader is probably not as big
on books as the ones you find in discussions like SeniorLearn. Someone posted elsewhere
that most of the YA (young adult) books are bought by adults. And there are voracious
readers who read only the 'romance' books.  It will depend on how interested this
particular group is in reading more demanding books.
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« Reply #9471 on: October 08, 2012, 09:09:51 AM »
Steph, I would like to!  Keep us informed.  Loved "Old Filth"...

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« Reply #9472 on: October 08, 2012, 10:19:01 AM »


May I make a plea on behalf of those of us who enjoy "romance" books and find them often more enjoyable than some of the fiction of today. It appears some of what others see as "great literature" can be classified as "romance" novels.  While I know some of you detest Wikipedia, this article in the link below is complete with exact footnotes.  In it is the following:

"One of the earliest romance novels was Samuel Richardson's popular 1740 novel Pamela, or Virtue Rewarded, which was revolutionary on two counts: it focused almost entirely on courtship and did so entirely from the perspective of a female protagonist. In the next century, Jane Austen expanded the genre, and her Pride and Prejudice is often considered the epitome of the genre." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_novel  [bold is mine]

It's wonderful, I think, that there are a lot of genres out there, and readers can find what suits them/meets their needs/makes their reading enjoyable.

jane

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« Reply #9473 on: October 08, 2012, 11:16:47 AM »
Thanks, Steph, for recommending Jane Gardam's Queen of the Tambourines.  I'll get it.  I loved her God on the Rocks.  One of the best I've read this year.

Marj
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« Reply #9474 on: October 08, 2012, 12:03:15 PM »
Thank you, Jane, for your defense of those who enjoy reading a story that doesn't require pondering and interpreting.
 
I'm currently reading a Mary Kay Andrews novel and thoroughly enjoying it. 
(Rosemary, she sets her stories in the South and her main character is almost always a "steel magnolia" type of woman (a/k/a "iron fist in a velvet glove").

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« Reply #9475 on: October 08, 2012, 12:16:36 PM »
I skimmed through the extensive list of romance writers and discovered that I am acquainted with a few, the others are unknown.

JeanneP

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« Reply #9476 on: October 08, 2012, 01:12:39 PM »
Many book that are not titled as Romance Books still have some good romantic parts in them. I like a good story with a little of both. Suspense, Murder,etc.  I just can't take the ones that start out with. (Lord somebody falling in love with his mothers maid). Now such as Pride and P.  Love books like that. Any Jane Austin.

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« Reply #9477 on: October 08, 2012, 02:02:58 PM »
Rosemary, does your American fiction have to be current?  I ask because there are some American classics, besides To Kill A Mockingbird and Gone With The Wind, that are quite right in the atmosphere they give to the times they encompass.

Conrad Richter's trilogy (called, all together, The Awakening Land): The Trees, The Fields and The Town, exhibit a really good feel for what it was like when we were settling our way West.  (Pulitzer Prize and National Book Award for Fiction)

Sinclair Lewis's Main Street was outstanding.  He won the Nobel Prize.

MaryPage

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« Reply #9478 on: October 08, 2012, 02:42:16 PM »
Rosemary, if you can find it, another outstanding book is funny and real and about life in California in the last century.  William Saroyan's THE HUMAN COMEDY.

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« Reply #9479 on: October 08, 2012, 03:08:18 PM »
I tried to buy "The human comedy" on kindle. A study guide was available in that form, but not the book. I remember reading Saroyan decades ago and really enjoying him.