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Steph

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« Reply #800 on: August 26, 2013, 08:40:41 AM »
Women's Issues
If Art imitates Life, what does Literature show about the place of women in our society? From the Red Tent to the new movie Anna Karenina,  to Malala Yousafzai in the news, has the state of women changed? What IS the state of women today, in your opinion?

Let's talk about how women are portrayed in the press, and in literature, and how accurate it is.   How does advertising reflect, if it does, how women are portrayed?  (Remember heels and pearls to sell refrigerators?)

How does it seem to you that women are portrayed today?

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I just find it strange, that a lot of these areas have had women as Prime Ministers and yet seem to devalue the ordinary woman.. Pinky Bhutto was certainly strong, but theykilled her and India has ad several women in the prime position. Sigh.
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MaryPage

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« Reply #801 on: August 26, 2013, 10:02:29 AM »
But have you noticed that in almost every case, and certainly in the two you mention here, the women were part of a famous ruling family, and they inherited their spots by the death of a father or husband or uncle or brother?  Check it out, as I am completely serious about this.
Bhutto's father had been Prime Minister of Pakistan before her, and Indira Ghandi's father had been Prime Minister of India before her.

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« Reply #802 on: August 26, 2013, 01:03:20 PM »
Marion McPartland, a jazz pianist and composer died at age 95 this week. For decades she hosted Piano Jazz on NPR interviewing and playing with dozens and dozens of musicians we all know. Here is her obit......

http://www.abqjournal.com/253104/news/ja-zzpianist-dies-at-95.html

NPR's tribute to Marion, click on the arrow to hear it

http://www.npr.org/2013/08/21/214192430/twilight-world-remembering-marian-mcpartlands-songs

And here is a statement by Norah Jones, dgt of Ravi Shankar and one of my favorite young singers, who knew MM very well and alludes to how tough it must have been to be a woman instrumentalist in the jazz world during the 20th century. Toward the bottom of the article there is a link to the Piano Jazz show that Norah and Marian did together.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/arts/music/norah-jones-remembers-the-radio-host-marian-mcpartland.html?_r=0

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« Reply #803 on: August 27, 2013, 03:34:36 AM »
Am a jazz enthusiast and am playing one of her CDs now -- "85 Candles" in celebration of her 85th birthday.

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« Reply #804 on: August 27, 2013, 08:32:16 AM »
I actually saw Marion McP... many many years ago and loved her..
Yes, the two ladies were both members of ruling families, but there were males in that generation and they picked the women instead.. in the countries they lived in, that was odd..
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« Reply #805 on: August 27, 2013, 04:07:21 PM »
My family have promised to put on a New Orleans type Jazz funeral for me.  It will be, by my choice, the only funeral at all.  I have donated my body to a medical school nearby.
The funeral will be all up and down Oak Bluff Drive in Montgomery Village, Maryland.  Woo hoo!  Two of my granddaughters live on that street.  Great granddaughter Leah, again by my designation, will be the parasol twirling leader.  A grandson-in-law runs a music school which two of my great grandsons attend, so there will be a bunch playing instruments.
Lindy Boggs, she whose husband was a congressman from Louisiana, and then she was, too, after he died;  and she is the mother of Cokie Roberts, died recently and New Orleans put on a BIG Jazz funeral for her immediately following the one in the Roman Catholic cathedral there.

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« Reply #806 on: August 28, 2013, 08:49:36 AM »
Sounds wonderful MaryPage.. I will be sure and come , if you dont outlive me, that is.
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« Reply #807 on: September 01, 2013, 05:50:50 PM »
I am sure to be wrong but I thought if bodies donated to science they were taken right away. Some parts being used. If whole body donated did not have to have permission to use like when just donating a certain part.  Noticed there have been 3 in our local paper lately (One a public figure). The death was listed next day. and stated that the body had been donated.  but was no visitation. memorial or anything within the next 5 days.  One did get a memorial last week.  I believe also one was a Indian lady connected to the university.


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« Reply #808 on: September 01, 2013, 06:47:06 PM »
Jeanne...the fact that a person chooses not to have a memorial or a visitation or whatever may have nothing to do with a medical body donation.

 I know that some universities have a memorial service themselves once a year for those who have donated their bodies.

I would think the family could still have a memorial service or a celebration of the person's life, without a body, as people do when cremated.  I don't believe it's necessary to have either a body or the ashes to do that.

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« Reply #809 on: September 01, 2013, 07:30:47 PM »
the body must be packed in ice and shipped immediately - some have a Mass as usual only no coffin in the center aisle - some have a wake at the home of the deceased or close relative and then some follow up with another service if and when there are any ashes - my best friend's husband's body was donated for body parts and the remaining cremated - they had a Mass within days with a history of photos as part of the Mass and then when the Charlotte received the ashes she had made arrangements and the family accompanied her to Arlington where his ashes are entombed in a wall with the usual ceremony for an officer that includes horses and taps played from a distance.
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« Reply #810 on: September 01, 2013, 07:51:39 PM »
I carry a card in my purse with me at all times, and each of my children has a copy.  On it is the phone number to call the medical school 24 hours a day.  They have already accepted my body;  I did this back in 1984.  They will come IMMEDIATELY and pick up my body, and it belongs to them from then on.  I will be a student's body in Anatomy Class.
My beloved stepmother gave her body to the same school, and we had a memorial service for her in the Lutheran Church her whole family attended back home in Virginia.  You do not need a body for a memorial service.
I choose not to have a religious ceremony because I do not believe in life after death.  That is my personal choice.  I also strongly feel giving my body to useful science is the last gesture I can make to benefit the progress of my species.  
I really wanted nothing other than my children all getting together and telling funny things about me while making piles of what is to be theirs of my belongings.  Then at a family gathering we got to talking about various ways of commemorating the dead, and we were also talking about music, and I admitted I crave a New Orleans type Jazz funeral.  And it is true.  I do.
THAT was when those blessed children and their spouses and grandchildren and theirs and the great grands promised me one.  Great granddaughter Leah is to lead out with the parasol.  She is a natural for the job and will give it her all.  Leah will be ten in December.
They have all been studying the hundreds of videos of Jazz funerals you can watch on line.

JeanneP

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« Reply #811 on: September 01, 2013, 08:13:59 PM »
I was just wondering if it could be like Mary was saying she wanted to be done on posting 1972
I have seen those street with jazz type funerals in both NO and SFCisco. The Chinese ones very moving. But the caskets and bodies are there. Usually someone holding a big photo in front. Just did not think if body donated they would wait that long. Just my thought.
How did we get into such a subject.?

JeanneP

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« Reply #812 on: September 01, 2013, 08:24:13 PM »
One have just one more to add. They do say that the medical schools have or can get all the bodies they need. Using those found that have been living on the streets and not claimed. We may think that illegal but worse things are done.

MaryPage

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« Reply #813 on: September 01, 2013, 08:26:46 PM »
There will be no body at my jazz funeral.  Just a joyful, boisterous celebration.  Wish I could see it!
I kind of sort of doubt that, Jeanne;  while admitting I have no idea.  But if you could see the long, detailed contract I signed, you would see that they reserve the right to refuse my body under a lot of conditions, including violent death, messed up in an automobile accident, too long a time before they are called to fetch me, too many surgeries and replacement of parts, and on and on.  So far, I still qualify.  If, when the day comes, I do not qualify any longer, my family will donate what parts can be useful and have me cremated.  No burial.  Scattered in a forest.

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« Reply #814 on: September 02, 2013, 09:22:36 AM »
I have a good friend who donated her body. After she died, they came and got her. After she was used, her remains were cremated and returned to the family, who then had the urn put in a niche in a columbarium..
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MaryPage

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« Reply #815 on: September 02, 2013, 09:55:59 AM »
Yes, that is what Georgetown is now doing.  For years and years, including the period (1983) when Mama died, they had the body cremated after it was no longer of use to the medical school, but because it was difficult after perhaps a period of a few years to get back in touch with the family, they buried the ashes in holy ground at Georgetown.  Now they do return the ashes to the family.  I took about two thirds of Bob's ashes to Cape Coral, Florida to be buried there in the Episcopal Church Memorial Garden with his first wife's ashes, as had been promised her.  The one third I have in a very large and beautiful cloisonne urn next to my bed.  When daughter Debi finally gets my ashes back (she has to keep her address current with the university until she does), she will mix them with his and take the urn up into the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia.  We never got Mama's ashes back, but that had been understood at the time.  I know approximately where they are.

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« Reply #816 on: September 03, 2013, 05:25:15 PM »
I love the idea of the return..Like a gift that you get back.
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« Reply #817 on: September 03, 2013, 05:29:30 PM »
WELL! WELL! WELL! I just skimmed thru all the postings in this category looking for a piece of information. What a marvelous conversation you all have made here. We have covered many issues, had many diverse opinions - civilly, i think, w/ out angering anybody. It has been thoughtful, intelligent, humorous, informative. I do wonder what happened to "Pamela" who joined us for a brief time around March.

Thank you all so much for such a good time that costs nothing and has no calories!  ;)

Jean


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« Reply #818 on: September 03, 2013, 05:41:05 PM »
Just saw this on my history calendar

Sept. 1, 1963
Liz Taylor inks a $1 million contract to play the title role in the 20th Century Fox film Cleopatra. The movie, released almost four years later, grossed nearly $26 million in the U.S., tops in 1963. But it still lost money due to its hefty production cost—$44 million, making it the most expensive film to date.


There was nothing about Liz that was inexpensive, was there? But good for her, i think she was the first woman to be paid $1million for a role and she certainly seemed to be her own person and do as she pleased. ("to be her own person", isn't that an interesting phrase? )

Also i heard Ross Perot gave $1 million to Planned Parenthood. Isn't that interesting?

Jean

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« Reply #819 on: September 04, 2013, 07:04:09 AM »
Good on him!  I think this must be the first time, or at least close to the first time, I have ever applauded him.  If I won the Lottery big, I would give Planned Parenthood a hundred million.

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« Reply #820 on: September 04, 2013, 08:14:55 AM »
Amazing,I never thought of Ross as interested in helping women.. A different side of him indeed.
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« Reply #821 on: September 04, 2013, 09:45:57 AM »
Like so many figures, the media defines for us folks on the national and international scene based on their decisions who is going to wear the white hat and who is going to wear the black hat, so they can have their story that only sells when the tensions between people and issues are magnified.

Also, more and more I am seeing east coast reporters not understanding middle America - they write from their sensibilities as well as from the political viewpoint of the editor and owners of the paper, magazine, TV station and then social media picks it up thinking they are original when all they really do is short-cut what they had heard in the news. Until several bios are written all we have is the news and film clips that are meant to influence rather than, as Friday used to say, Tell it like it is.

Perot is brash and like many in this area filled with pride - unfortunately reporters mixed up as Jane Austin puts it, Vanity with Pride - Not from an area where self-pride and pride being one of the words children look to hear from their parents and where pride in where they live, what they do is valued therefore, the media assigned all manner of intent and attitudes on the man.

Jane Austin quote - “Vanity and pride are different things, though the words are often used synonymously… Pride relates more to our opinion of ourselves, vanity to what we would have others think of us.”  

Today being politically correct we call pride, self-esteem. We like to see national figures appearing humble and yet, if humble leads we are very upset. As liberal as I am I think Ross Perot would have been less of an embarrassment in office than Bill Clinton.
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« Reply #822 on: September 04, 2013, 11:27:49 AM »
One thing drives my heart to pulsating and gives me most unpleasant physical sensations that are frightening, and that is that the young women in entertainment industries today seem to think that it is perfectly okay for them to go along with being nearly naked and acting out all sorts of sexual behavior in public that demeans our sex and makes females appear just as so many men want them to appear:  sexual OBJECTS and not human beings.  I wish so much that some powerful woman or women would start speaking to them PUBLICLY and explain in simple language what they are doing to themselves and to all the rest of those of their gender, INCLUDING their very own sisters and daughters.

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« Reply #823 on: September 04, 2013, 01:56:24 PM »
The second person in People of the Century is Emmeline Pankhurst. I thought you might like some of the quotes from the chapter written by Marina Warner, a British writer.

Women were battered in demonstrations and, on hunger strikes, brutally force-fed in prison. When these measures risked taking lives, the famous Cat and Mouse Act was passed ...a dangerously weakened hunger striker would be released and the rearrested when strong enough to continue her sentence......Mrs Pankhurst, age 54 in 1912, went to prison 12 times that year. No wonder she railed, "The militancy of men, through all the centuries, has drenched the word with blood. The militancy of women has harmed no human life save the lives of those who fought the battle of righteousness.

Don't you love victorian rhetoric?

While she was bent on sweeping away the limits of gender, she envisioned society transformed by feminine energies........She wrote, "We want to help women...We want to gain them all the rights and protection that the laws can give them. And, above all, we want the good influence of women to tell to its greatest extent in the social and moral questions of our time. But we cannot do that unless we have the vote and are recognized as citizens and voices to be listened to........we are here, not because we are lawbreakers; we are here in our efforts to become lawmakers." .........Joan of Arc was the suffragists' mascot. Boadicea their goddess, and Mrs Pankhurst the true inheritor of the armed maidens of heroic legend.

Alice Paul worked with the Pankhursts in 1909/10 and was also jailed and forced fed. She then, in 1910, brought that militancy back home and used those tactics of parades and demonstrations here in the U.S., also being arrested and forced fed, until the suffrage amendment was passed in 1920. She organized the first demonstrations ever held in front of the White House.


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« Reply #824 on: September 04, 2013, 02:12:09 PM »
The GOP War on Women is going strong, McConnel's spokesperson calls Lundergan Grimes "an empty dress."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/alison-lundergan-grimes-empty-dress_n_3865060.html#slide=1059001

Don't miss the slideshow - i know, i hate them too, why don't they just tell us what was said- on anti-women comments by the right AND the Sara Palin statement, both at the bottom of the article.

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« Reply #825 on: September 04, 2013, 02:17:35 PM »
Now I fear the fight is not between men and women even though we have recently seen a string of men in power who are ignorant to women's physical and emotional makeup - I see more damage being done women to women so that with a split house we keep losing.

To change the hearts and minds of women advisories will be a feat that i am not seeing anyone write about because it means taking on the patriarchy of major religions. One thing to say, ignore them but, if religion is a source of comfort than the drum beat of abusive ideas about a woman cannot be avoided.  
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« Reply #826 on: September 04, 2013, 03:09:42 PM »
I agree Barbara, there is so much women bashing by ordinary people. I had this very arguement on Sunday at a family dinner table. Men and women saying "men are better friends with each other and more confidential!" REALLY! i see so many men as so competitive with each other they wouldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it. Can't have closeness if you're not telling the truth.

Of course, their response to me was "you always defend women." my response was "Yes, because women are so often attacked in ways i think are unfair." i actually believe, and constantly remark, we always need to say "some men" and "some women", rather then stereotype all and i believe that we are alike in many, many ways, having all human attributes.

I see that women getting the vote has not totally changed the world, (as Emmeline had hoped for) altho i think women who first come to office - at least in the U.S., can't forget Margaret Thatcher- tend to be more concerned about daily life issues and less idealogical then the men who have been in office. Is this bcs they are women, or bcs they are new to the institution, or haven't yet been bought, or recognize that their constituencies are people who expect them to bring change? There are a lot of potential varibles.

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« Reply #827 on: September 05, 2013, 09:23:42 AM »
It seems to me that the current crop of female legislaters are more into party politics than they used to be. I always have like the women who represented Maine.They are so independent of either party.
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« Reply #828 on: September 05, 2013, 03:07:19 PM »
Me too, and all, Steph.  Remember Margaret Chase Smith!
A canary in the coal mine, as it were, as far as women taking on the Church is concerned, is the American nuns.  In June, my daughter Debi gave a dinner party at her home to say goodbye to Sister Elise Mary, the very last nun to teach at St. Mary's School here in Annapolis.  She retired and went to Baltimore and the Diocese is going to turn the convent to other uses.  All the teachers are lay there now.  So sad.  But I tell you what:  there is a WAR going on and the nuns are going to win it.  Makes me happy to think on it!

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« Reply #829 on: September 06, 2013, 08:12:00 AM »
The nuns currently seem to be trying very hard to make allof those males understand that they are important too.
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« Reply #830 on: September 09, 2013, 09:04:28 PM »
"The First Ladies" is back on CSPAN2, Edith Roosevelt is spotlighted tonight 9:00

Jean

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« Reply #831 on: September 10, 2013, 10:14:51 AM »
I once read at least one book about all of the first ladies up to perhaps.. Eleanor Roosevelt, so it was a while ago. Not sure how I feel about tv watching them..
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Steph

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« Reply #834 on: September 11, 2013, 12:24:52 PM »
How ironic that you posted that just now MaryPage. I've just about finished Noah Gordon's Matters of Choice. The third in the "Dr Cole" series. On the surface it's very different then his two previous which had historical settings.  This one is set in the 1990's. But he continues to give detailed personnal lives of the characters and a lot of interesting current  events.

He writes the female protagonist very well. She's a lawyer/doctor who after a divorce decides to leave a Boston hospital and set up private practice in rural NY where docs are scarce. She's an amazing, almost Wonder-Woman character. But that's rather nice to read on occasion. She runs her practice, has a relationship, cuts a trail thru a woods behind her house despite her knowing there is a big black bear in the area, she builds a little bridge across the creek after she learns how to use a chain saw, works one day a week at a family planning center even though she is frightened each time she walks through the protesters and when she is followed home by a pick up truck with three guys in it.

He brings in many '90s events, besides the protests and battles against abortion, the problem of people not having health insurance and therefore health care, etc.

It's an easy read that flows nicely even though its jam-packed with detail, as he did in the previous two books in trilogy.

Jean

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« Reply #835 on: September 12, 2013, 08:50:06 AM »
I have read another series of his.. He does love to cram in the detail.
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« Reply #836 on: September 12, 2013, 01:36:06 PM »

Steph

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« Reply #837 on: September 13, 2013, 09:03:26 AM »
Saw the darndest interview on Today just now.. Julie Chen on how when she wanted a start in TV, her first boss said to get her eyes changed.Granted it was biased and stupid, but she did it anyway.. But the before and after pictures does make you wonder. Not an attractive woman until she had some work done ( dont think it was just the eyes). I guess I am sort of torn. I honestly think the person was trying to explain to her what she needed to look like for TV..Biased or not, he was telling the truth.
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« Reply #838 on: September 13, 2013, 01:44:50 PM »
I agree with you.  Before, she was just plain ordinary.  The point is not what RACE she was, the point is, she looked ordinary.  After she had her eyes enlarged, she was drop dead gorgeous. 

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« Reply #839 on: September 14, 2013, 09:03:38 AM »
Thank heaven, you see it too, I felt so guilty about saying what I did, but the truth is for TV, you need a certain look..
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