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MaryPage

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Re: NO NOBLE YET
« Reply #2520 on: April 08, 2016, 02:21:24 PM »
No, Jahren has not yet won the Noble, but she sure has a lot of awards.

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Re: ANITA HILL
« Reply #2521 on: April 17, 2016, 05:34:20 PM »
If you get HBO, this is the night they are showing CONFIRMATION at seven Eastern Time.  All about Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas.  The critics are liking it.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2522 on: April 17, 2016, 06:22:40 PM »
It was on last night, too, MaryPage.  I don't get HBO, but our system is giving us a free week, starting tomorrow.  So I'll get to watch it then.
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mabel1015j

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2523 on: April 18, 2016, 05:36:53 AM »
Everyone should just admit it: women are just better human beings :P

This is a good article with important info, but all you need is to read the headline.......

http://womensenews.org/2016/04/would-fewer-people-get-killed-if-more-police-officers-were-women/

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2524 on: April 18, 2016, 08:59:20 AM »
Oh Goodie.. Monica Lewinsky is back to get more publicity for sleeping with the President.. Oh poor Monica.. bullied, picked on.. but then show a man your thong underwear deliberately and bad things will happen.
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IT'S ALL IN THE LANGUAGE
« Reply #2525 on: April 18, 2016, 12:29:56 PM »
Only she never "slept" with him.  He told the truth when he said "I never had sex with that woman."  At least, in the way we meant "have sex" when I was growing up.  I have no desire to go into the intimate details, but if they had been a married couple, either could have gotten an annulment on the grounds the marriage was "never consummated."

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2526 on: April 18, 2016, 06:43:31 PM »
What about Kathleen Wiley, Jennifer Powers.....etc....etc.  I never really understood how Bill Clinton seemed to get a pass on such hateful behavior toward women.  It still frosts me every time I'm reminded of all (or at least what we've heard about) he's done; including having parties with a billionaire pedophile (Jeffrey Epstein) on his boat, flying in his private jet,  receiving large donations  ....utterly disgusting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561378/Bubba-grope-accuser-says-Hillary-Clinton-IS-war-women-Just-pack-bags-Youve-15-minutes.html

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2527 on: April 18, 2016, 08:46:44 PM »
Mary Page, thanks for mentioning "Confirmation".  We have HBO and I thought it was a good movie and well done.  I really enjoyed watching the original news clips with Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, etc.

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SHE TOLD THE TRUTH
« Reply #2528 on: April 19, 2016, 08:00:55 AM »
I knew instantly Anita Hill was telling the truth.  The whole thing was so familiar to me as a story I had not only lived myself, but had heard so many successful women, including my own mother, tell over and over again.

As for the men, who knows how many of them thought it was truly a vicious attack on the sterling qualities of a man nominated by a Republican President, and how many understood perfectly from experience that this is the seamy underside of women in the workplace.  Why else do you think that a majority of men held the line for thousands of years and refused to allow women in their clubs, professions, schools, armies & navies, and so on and on?  Just recently I was reading about their protestations that women being admitted to Harvard would mean those hallowed halls would have to see a lowering of standards, plus everyone KNOWS how dangerous it is to have young people of the opposite sex together in the same place!

I was "tried" innumerable times, and by men I otherwise liked and respected, as well as those I detested.  The various little scenarios and so forth that they would come up with to try to "score" with me were many and sickening.  I truly came to understand that, despite my wanting to think better of them, the first and most impelling instincts these otherwise talented human beings experienced was their sex drives.  The urge to mate, and to score with a number of women.  And there is something perverse going on, as well: their proclivity for twisting their own basic instincts into it all being the woman's fault just for BEING!  There was also an element of mixed admiration and chagrin regarding a woman such as myself who dared "take a man's job" and "work in the world of men."  As a newspaper reporter, bank officer, and political and civic activist, I stood many times where they were accustomed to seeing only men stand and speak.  Oh, many times I felt such disappointment mixed with humiliation, and wondered why I seemed to be signaling a sexual drive of my own.  Over and over, NOTHING was further from my mind!  Well, I got through it with my reputation intact, but too many did not, and I'll tell you what:  I knew it when I saw it.

I still have the fat scrapbook I made up from the beginning to the end of the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas matter.  I titled it:  "SHE TOLD THE TRUTH!"

And I say all of this with complete and total sincerity of the soul.  For me, this is not political at all.  Fact is, I was still a registered Republican at the time.  This is a serious social problem, and one that needs to be LOOKED at in the full light of day, admitted to being the quicksand that surrounds the daily activities of women working to make a living, and incorporated into our laws and culture in such a way as to protect women from the hazards threatening them by the culture as we know it now.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2529 on: April 19, 2016, 08:39:39 AM »
I always believed Anita and could not bear that noone else did.
By the way.. Mogamom, Bill Clinton was neither the first or last President that had a female thing indeed.. and he is not the candidate..
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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2530 on: April 19, 2016, 01:25:39 PM »
I was screaming at my tv last night watching a panel about opening all combat positions to women. I'm not going to speak to that issue in general, but what so annoyed me was one if the women panelists saying that having women in the unit disrupts unit cohesion and that 17% of military women get pregnant which breaks up the cohesion!!!! So we should keep all qualified women out of some jobs because some COUPLES - yes, it takes two - get pregnant!?!?

I happened to have facilitated Preventing AIDS Training for the Army in the late 80's and know that at the time there was so much fear of AIDS that the policy was that if you were treated for an STD you were ORDERED to always have safe sex. If you appeared with a second STD, or your partner named you as the person who gave them an STD you were punished, poosibly dishonorably discharged for disobeying orders! Why are they not extending the policy to pregnancy? Why are they punishing all women because some men refuse to wear condoms, which the military says they are supposed to ve doing, or because some women are not protecting themselves from pregnancy? There is, of course, a policy about co-habitation btwn officers and enlisted personnel which apparently no one is enforcing either.

So this woman is saying putting men and women together in units just brings out our "human nature" to have sex! Really!?! I have a human nature to eat pizza everyday, but I can restrain myself from doing that. There was a lot of talk about the best units having the most go-get-em masculinity (they didn't use that word of couse, not PC these days) and therefore women would have a negative impact! Not one person in the 1/2 hr that I listened said "men need to be taught restraint" or "couplesneed to be disciplined". Altho one guy did suggest that this was the same discussion in 1948 when they were saying whites would not take orders from black officers, so therefore units could not be fullt integrated.

Do these people ever listen to themselves? Do they have any sense of how they blame the victim?

YES, I BELIEVED ANITA HILL. I also facilitated Pevention of Sexual Harrasment training. At the time every military and civilian employee had to attend, apparently that has dropped by the wayside also, along with enforcement against s h. Woe is me! We have gone backwards.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2531 on: April 20, 2016, 08:43:05 AM »
Jean, yes yes, yes... Why is it only the women who get the punishment.. Takes two for this stuff, last I heard. I had a short term job many years ago that dealt with army officers every day. I was young married and happy in my marriage. I got so many indecent proposals and hints that they would swing business my way, that I quit.
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DENIAL
« Reply #2532 on: April 20, 2016, 09:35:49 AM »
Well, exactly!  Back in my day, it was a stark learning curve for me to discover that the vast majority of males in the workplace think first and foremost of seducing as many women as possible.  The men of this world are in vast denial, albeit as I have sworn to before, my Bob totally agreed with me and always tried to (and succeeded in) promote women he worked with.  When I worked in a bank for several years, we gals used to wonder why it was that we did all the work.  It was true:  we did!  The guys spent as little time as possible at their desks, and the rest on the golf course and in various bedrooms.  And they got away with this and made the fat salaries!  Scheesch!

But again, the Army has been in such denial for so very long.  In World War II the WASPS had to pass the hat and bury their own dead because the Army didn't even want to admit they EXISTED and were piloting planes, let alone that some of them crashed and died in the line of duty!  All this has been cleared up and admitted to and publicized now, in President Obama's time in office!

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2533 on: April 20, 2016, 04:40:58 PM »
I just heard on the news that Harriet Tubman is going to replace Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill!
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mabel1015j

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2534 on: April 20, 2016, 05:25:57 PM »
no sense of history! Glad to get rid of AJ, but how about a suffragist to commemoratate the 100th anniversary of suffrage in 2020 - 100 yrs!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/21/us/women-currency-treasury-harriet-tubman.html?_r=0

But I like the idea of more than one person. Get out of the rut of tradition. Try something new, I like that.
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ON THE TWENTY
« Reply #2535 on: April 20, 2016, 05:45:44 PM »
I am not UNhappy, but Margaret Sanger was and remains my first choice, with Eleanor Roosevelt my second.  Apparently the Broadway hit HAMILTON made them decide he was too valuable a Founding Father to replace!

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2536 on: April 21, 2016, 08:36:29 AM »
I am with both of you.. Dont see the Tubman, but this is the year of the minority and just being a woman does not seem to count.
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« Reply #2537 on: April 21, 2016, 08:38:28 AM »
This is a link to editorial cartoonist, Bruce Plante, for today's cartoon.  Plante was at the Chattanooga Times, now at the Tulsa paper.  He's one of the best.

http://planteink.com/cartoons.cfm/id/150326 
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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2538 on: April 21, 2016, 10:55:28 AM »
That cartoon is sad...but true!!

MaryPage

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THE CARTOON
« Reply #2539 on: April 21, 2016, 11:12:49 AM »
I totally agree!

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1991 REVISITED
« Reply #2540 on: April 22, 2016, 10:12:00 AM »
I have watched the HBO film CONFIRMATION two and a half times now, and the fire within me that has been burning ever since those hearings back in 1991 is beginning to sort itself out into a kind of unwritten textbook, if you will.

There are basic truths about the human animal that our culture forbids us to address.  One is that we, like all other animals and life forms that have evolved here on this particular planet in this particular star system, have Life primarily to reproduce our species and die.  All religions and their stories and admonitions aside, that is our orientation.  And the male is historically the aggressor in this scenario and has evolved to be so.  Programmed to spread his seed, but NOT to take personal responsibility for the results, he has perfected a hit and run system.  Every male knows this and most of them, even in our enlightened age of utilizing our large brains, go with the flow and, at all costs, cover up for one another.  They feel it is for the Greater Good of All Men that they must close their eyes and allow women to take the punishment, and ALL of the punishment, for the results of male aggression.  Women are, after all, only vessels for the planting of male seed, and menials to do the disagreeable chores.

So every man on that committee was anxious that this topic not come up at any time in their careers in the public eye.  They wanted to shove it back under the rocks that exist in their subterranean world existence.  That world, under those imaginary rocks, if we could but lift them and see, is full of THEM,  lifting their human faces up to the light in horror, with their trousers down around their ankles.  Hundreds, thousands, millions, Billions of them.  Underground.  Under the surface of civilization as they have fashioned it.  They fight unfairly in order to preserve the status quo.  No man in a position of power can be exposed to the keepers of the historical records, because any one of them might be the next in line for that!  Same exact automatic reflex as made the bishops of the church simply transfer the pedophile priests.  And just as the easy out made pedophiles flock to the priesthood and multiply the problem, so shifting the onus to WOMEN at all costs has made the world more easily controlled by our politicians and preachers.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2541 on: April 22, 2016, 11:34:20 PM »
MaryPage, I just finished watching "Confirmation".  Excellent production.  It was difficult, and brought back some memories.  John was still working for DuPont at the time, and they had several sessions on sexual harassment after that time.
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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2542 on: April 23, 2016, 09:24:38 AM »
Want to see the film, but dont have HBO.. Hmm, maybe netflix will pick it up.
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« Reply #2543 on: April 23, 2016, 10:58:14 AM »
Our cable system (Comcast/Xfinity) just did a freebie week of HBO.  That's how I got to watch it - On Demand, too, so at my timing.
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MaryPage

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NOTHING LEFT UNSAID
« Reply #2544 on: April 23, 2016, 12:38:14 PM »
Mary, if you are still in that free week, try to catch NOTHING LEFT UNSAID.  Anderson Cooper and his mother, Gloria Vanderbilt in a documentary.

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« Reply #2545 on: April 23, 2016, 12:39:09 PM »
MaryPage - I've already watched that one.  Excellent!
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HBO
« Reply #2546 on: April 23, 2016, 01:55:33 PM »
Their documentaries alone make the channel worth paying extra monthly to get them.  And the show VICE, which is similar to 60 Minutes, is great.  Chip got me hooked on Game of Thrones a couple of years ago, and I watch GIRLS in a state of horror and disconnect as I realize this is who my grandchildren's generation largely are.  I started GIRLS both because of all the awards it was winning and because the NBC News anchor Brian Williams daughter plays a major part.  One of the best things HBO ever did featured Frances McDormand in Olive Kitteridge, which also won a lot of awards.  Oh, I could go on and on, but I am a huge fan of HBO.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2547 on: April 24, 2016, 07:58:29 AM »
I guess I always look at the movies on the channel guide and realize I dont care to see them.. and I dont like Game of Thrones. Hated the books.
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GAME OF THRONES
« Reply #2548 on: April 24, 2016, 08:41:18 AM »
Frankly, I never read any of the books.  Not to my taste.  Can't say I am relishing the television series, but I do find it addictive as to the characters and countries.  Once bitten, as the saying goes.  I am a huge fan of Peter Dinklage, and of quite a few of the other actors.  Diverting.

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A WOMAN PRESIDENT?
« Reply #2549 on: April 24, 2016, 06:21:53 PM »
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will forget where and when they first heard it and accept it as gospel truth.  So it is with the myth that Hillary Clinton is untrustworthy.

I have often mused on the FACT that Hillary's emails would have been open to the Russians, and probably the Chinese, on the State Department server, and not on her own.  And remember several things here:  one is that Bill Clinton already had the server set up in their home for HIS convenience, another that she had been advised by previous officials to use her own server, and finally that Colin Powell and Condi Rice, both Republicans and the only previous Secretaries of State to use email at all, used THEIR OWN SERVERS!  Previous to these, there WERE NO Secretaries of State using email!  I mean, next thing you know the Republicans will be claiming that Our Founding Fathers did not have their own servers.  Nor did they!



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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2550 on: April 24, 2016, 07:20:31 PM »
I think they are referring MaryPage to her secret way of working when she was attempting to do Health Care and since it was learned that she worked with the various insurance companies as she was putting together the proposal and when Congress got wind of it they hit the roof... but then during an election year they are going to twist whatever they can to blacken the other side.

We have a big fight going on here in Austin over the Uber people trying to defy city law that anyone that drives another in their vehicle needs to have their fingerprints and background check down and filed with the FBI - every Real Estate agent in this town had complied but Uber does not want to - they even attempted to get one of our city council members thrown off the council - they want to just have their own background check be sufficient - they have all these ads saying it is the city that does this check and it will come from out taxes - the city has not means to do this check - it is done by a private company and cost $12 for just finger prints and for a combo finger print and background it costs $25 and they send and receive the information from the FBI but to gain votes they are saying it will become a city expense -

Same thing as national politics - trying to sort out the lies is a lost cause but bottom line I think there are other things that decide who you will vote for and these sound bites in TV and in the news mean very little unless you are against the candidate and need a quick one liner to justify your dislike.
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« Reply #2551 on: April 27, 2016, 05:33:11 AM »
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2552 on: April 27, 2016, 08:46:29 AM »
No one wrote a poem about her..Women have always been amazing and for years men tried hard to ignore their contributions to life.
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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2553 on: April 28, 2016, 11:29:19 AM »
For those wondering why people don't trust Hillary Clinton:


author Peter Schweizer ... took a prominent place in the political conversation for months. Clinton Cash: The Untold Story of How and Why Foreign Governments and Businesses Helped Make Bill and Hillary Rich became a surprise bestseller.


Everyone I've heard - or read quotes on - who were interviewed after voting for Sanders said they didn't trust Hillary - and it was all about her e-mails (90,000 so far), foreign money, and selling influence to domestic and foreign individuals/groups.

The relationships of the Clinton's to those being 'outed' in the Panama Papers (which have only begun to be searched), adds fuel to that fire.  Hillary has a very high hill to climb to gain any trust, I fear.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2554 on: April 28, 2016, 01:52:28 PM »
And my opinion is that it is all vicious propaganda.  If you link the word untrustworthy to a name long and often enough, it will stick in the so called minds of the American public.  Everyone forgets actual events within a two week news cycle, but say something over and over again, for instance that Gerald Ford was clumsy (he was actually an outstanding athlete), and every soul will buy into it.

Personally, I trust Hillary Clinton more than all the others put together.  No, that does not describe it well, as I do not trust most of the others AT ALL.  Let's just say I trust my beloved country to her, and her alone.  Or Elizabeth Warren, and Hillary has more of the necessary type experience.

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« Reply #2555 on: April 28, 2016, 02:34:02 PM »
Oh my and I see Hillary and Elizabeth Warren poles apart.
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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2556 on: April 28, 2016, 02:53:43 PM »
This is all of our beloved country.  I stopped trusting Hillary - politically speaking - when she mysteriously 'found' a pile of FBI files that just happened to be on congressmen deemed her husband's 'enemies' on her coffeetable in their private residence.

But, more importantly to me, I stopped trusting her as a woman when she defended her husband and attacked his many victims using many of the same terms I've often heard used on victims of sexual abuse.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2557 on: April 29, 2016, 08:48:48 AM »
Oh for heavens sakes.. She loves him.. pure and simple. Silly... wrong... but true. Her eyes soften every time he is close..  She is not the first and wont be the last who used the private servers.. Already a few higher ups are admitting they do and promise to change.. When Trump is the alternative,, think about it.. You really want that horror as your President. For the first time in years, I am willing to go out and fight for her.
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PRESIDENT H.R. CLINTON
« Reply #2558 on: April 29, 2016, 09:35:57 AM »
Ditto what she said.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2559 on: April 29, 2016, 10:25:55 AM »
As a survivor of sexual abuse - and a therapist dealing with others on all sides of the issue - NO!  She is a horrific choice to carry the banner of the first woman president!  In my vast experience working in the field, it is seldom about 'love'; it's much more about personal survival.  She has spent her adult life building a life around this particular man with these skills - and has benefitted immeasurably from them; it appalls me that women are still falling for this stuff!  And here she is passing out the 'woman card' she plans to run on.  It won't work - most women don't trust her either, that's the draw to Sanders!

Bill was raised essentially by a single mom - and he certainly knows how to get around women; it's the 'boyish charm' persona that women love.  A lie.  He's a vicious, uncaring sexual predator - but he's much more charming than the old stick-in-the-mud conservative Clarence Thomas who women have no problem attacking.

So, let's at least be honest.  If a liberal woman is abused by a conservative man - well, of course we'll believe her and defend her to the hilt.  But if the man is a charming liberal, he can do anything he wants to any woman, conservative (preferably) or liberal, and we'll attack the women.  Just let's be honest about what it is really about, this 'war on women'.