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« Reply #2920 on: March 09, 2012, 12:10:52 AM »
       
This is the place to talk about the works of fiction you are reading, whether they are new or old, and share your own opinions and reviews with interested readers.

Every week the new bestseller lists come out brimming with enticing looking books and rave reviews. How to choose?


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:D  :D  ;) Of course MaryPage we can keep this going  8) - and yes, I think you are right about the basics - it is men against women for power - all I am saying if we want to crack that premise we need to recognize the men organized and surrounded their organizing with rules and tradition and ceremony and whatever else they could throw in, creating a powerful movement to "right" behavior - their movements were well organized and made an appeal to the average that is so strong that we feel today that most of their tenants are good for us therefore, it is difficult to figure out where one tenant and the other stops - they all seem to be joined at the hip so to speak - and so again, my thinking is still, if we are going to stop a major viewpoint that is wrapped within these tenants, rules, traditions I just do not see one by one as individuals, men or women having an affect - only by attacking or convincing the organizations that there is a benefit to their changing will it happen.

The way woman were able to push back now was because we finally have a significant pocketbook with a significant percentage of women working in again, to use the word, significant career jobs. And yes, keeping women tied to their reproductive organs keep them from massing in large numbers into politics where we do not have the significance in power and numbers to push back.

We need a civil rights movement for women but that makes men the enemy and loving couples especially married with family couples are caught on that idea -  We look at our sons, our grandsons, our brothers or other male family members and we could not imagine making them the enemy with marches against them so who are these men that want to control women - it seems to me it is a mind set that like a legacy is within even our sons, brothers and maybe even our grandsons - they may not champion this viewpoint but they recognize its existence and feel caught about fighting on our behalf - they will say there are other more important things and besides, whatever is legislated we can take care of it ourselves in our own bedroom.

I also see that even in this forward thinking Democracy there is too much of every government that is tied to the values of the dominate and historical Church in that part of the world so that to me the religions are still the core of it - Alone men are not the enemy - massed in organized groups under the mantel of an organization that includes accepted behavior as part of the culture, tied to the hip is the dominate religion that to me is what needs to be attacked rather than our men.

OK peace - I know we agree and we are seeing this from different angels and angles – I think we are simply seeing the enemy coming from different faces.
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« Reply #2921 on: March 09, 2012, 06:15:44 AM »
I am sorry Mary Page. I was having a senior moment.. Al Sharpton is the man that they are calling the voice of the liberals and he certainly is not my voice and never will be. He is an opportunist. I shudder when people use him as an example of liberals being horrible. Ugh.
I think that religon (organized) and men share in the put down of women. But there have been some cultures that do not.. There are a few matriarch cultures. No idea how they consider men at all..
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« Reply #2922 on: March 09, 2012, 08:34:02 AM »
 I remember those misleading posters and films, BARB. Our pastor showed one of the films
and I went to him afterward and explained that the film was misleading, and why. He
was upset and decided not to show it again. I have no patience or sympathy with groups
that push their views with lies and half-truths.
  I also had two miscarriages. Bless you, I could not help but think those two first
pregnancies, so close together, probably didn't allow you enough time to recover. With
the sad result of the later losses.  My problem was simply a weakness in the womb wall,
which would tear once the baby grew too heavy. When a doctor finally figured that out,
he was able to prevent further miscarriages.

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« Reply #2923 on: March 09, 2012, 11:23:45 AM »
We vote people into office to run our city, county, state and nation.  We expect them to look at and study and analyse and figure out how to make us all safe from war, terrorism, murder and mayhem, poisoned air, water and soil, traffic and roads, all crime and so on.  We do NOT expect them to place their focus on, indeed, to pay any heed whatsoever, to the female body and its reproductive functioning.

On the contrary, I would like to expect my statesmen to protect me from undue intrusion into my private bodily functions!

We look to our favorite flavor of religion to give us solace and direct us comfortably in our spiritual life.   We look for comfort and consolation and hope.

I do not want my religion poking into matters concerning my vagina.

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« Reply #2924 on: March 09, 2012, 12:46:27 PM »
I think you have hit a nail on the head MaryPage - we do not expect - there is a world of difference between what we expect and reality - we may look at religion to offer solace but history has shown religion is simply an organization with rules for behavior along with traditions, ceremony, hierarchy and if you look at even your local chapel/congregation you see politics at play -

We have been reading how there are many who have caught onto what organized religion really offers and therefore, have turned to other ways of nourishing their spiritual nature - but that is another discussion -

Organized religion didn't recently get into the fray with the Far Right - Organized religion had been "The" government for thousands of years - Still is - in places like Iran just as it was after Constantine in Rome and in Egypt thousands of years before that.

We have to start somewhere - Many women agree with you MaryPage that the health, mental and emotional welfare of women needs to be respected rather than thought of as simply the bread basket for population with maybe a few other skills; but Reality needs to trump which will exclude our expectation of justice, kindness, respect from others, as if they are capable of more than satisfying their emotional needs, their concept of "right" behavior and their wants - A few quotes that to me say it.

"There is everything you know and there is everything that happens. When the two do not line up, you make a choice.”
― Mitch Albom, For One More Day

“There were two ways to be happy: improve your reality, or lower your expectations”
― Jodi Picoult, Nineteen Minutes

“I mean, like most guys, you carry around this girl in your head, who is exactly who you want her to be. The person you think you will love the most. And every girl you are with gets measured against this girl in your head.”
― Rachel Cohn, Dash & Lily's Book of Dares
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« Reply #2925 on: March 09, 2012, 11:38:18 PM »
Great discussion Barbara and MaryPage. I agree w/ everything you both said.....is that possible?  :D.  You two seem to think you were disagreeing about process, i think you just layered the organization of an institution to support their goals on top of the seeking of power by some men. We need to be vigilent to protect ourselves from both situations.

And Margifay, i loved this statement of yours..."They finally issued a 44-page statement in October, 2006.  The answer: they go to heaven.  Whew!  That's a load off my mind.  BTW, the statement said that  the decision covers those "babies" who become human immediately after conception.  Whew, again!"  ;D

The idiocy of people wasting so much time and energy over issues that nothing can be done about, just to let everyone else know how important they are. We're seeing it everyday now in
our Congress and in the campaign.  I don't know how they can live with themselves or how
they don't realize how idiotic they appear. They're behaving like 15 yr old boys. "you're a
jerk!" "no, you're the jerk" "I'm stealing your hat, just to show you i'm in control!" "well, i
dated your girl......." ...........etc,etc!

I had the interesting experience of working for the Dept of Army for 16 years, a very male-dominated institution and then went to work for a Visiting Nurse Assoc, a 99% woman operation. The women there kept sating things that were so anti-women. Theytalked about how competitive women were and how they gossiped and how unbusinesslike they were and that men NEVER acted like that. I frequently said to different grouos of them "believe me, men do all tjose things and often much more confrontationally and agressively." the interesting thing is in 16 yrs, i never heard the guys at DoA put down the whole male gender. They may take on each other and demean individuals, but thay didn't denigrate their whole gender as women often do. I think we have drunk their cool-aid about female negative stereotypes.

Human beings are so interesting

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« Reply #2926 on: March 10, 2012, 06:14:18 AM »
Thats interesting. I h ad never thought about women intentionally putting down other women, but when I sit and consider, you are right. I wonder why we do that to ourselves.. Have we bought into we are the inferior race?? Hmm.
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« Reply #2927 on: March 10, 2012, 06:25:01 AM »
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They may take on each other and demean individuals, but they didn't denigrate their whole gender as women often do.
My thinking is woman feel abandoned - we watched our Mother's navigate as best they could and it did not give us an example of someone who really had power that we could emulate or feel rock bottom secure. And so the little kid in us still thinks our mother's 'coulda-shoulda' done a better job therefore, women who are less than competent, powerful, or puts us at risk to be less than perfect sets off an alarm that we are on our own - that we have to navigate not only the male dominate power but all the paths and secrets used by women to take care of themselves - and so a bit of anger pops out in the safest way possible by condemning with exaggeration, "ALL".
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« Reply #2928 on: March 10, 2012, 08:00:56 AM »
I don't think we put all women down, do we?  Trying to think how.

It depresses me how economically stuck the vast majority of my generation still is.  Al of my friends (me included) earn a pittance compared to our husbands (although my data might be a bit skewed by the fact that most of our husbands work in the oil industry, - so few women are engineers (another issue) that I suppose it is inevitable that few women earn equal money in Aberdeen).  Of my friends that are separated/divorced, the only ones not in difficult financial situations are those whose ex-husbands are still paying for most things - the women simply don't have the means to make the money.

 I am about to meet up with a friend who had no choice but to leave her abusive, violent husband after a long marriage.  he has somehow managed to avoid paying anything at all in maintenance for the children, never mind her.  She works full time as a social worker and struggles.  She knows she will have to move from their very modest house when she retires because she won't be able to afford the upkeep.  She is a wonderful person, always positive and cheerful, but I think it is so unfair that he has managed to put her in this position - he meanwhile is sitting in a huge house worth a lot of money.  

It is a terrible struggle for women to manage on their own unless they are in highly paid jobs, which are far rarer for women than for men.  My neighbour has recently returned to full time work, persuaded to do so by her husband, who says they can't manage without her income.  They have two children, aged 11 and 13, and they have not really arranged any after school/holiday care for them.  As a result, and with some justification, some of the neighbours feel very put upon, as they seem to be expected to provide the care - but no-one sees this as the fault of both parents, it is the mother who is universally condemned as not having "sorted things out".

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« Reply #2929 on: March 10, 2012, 09:04:56 AM »
 
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Human beings are so interesting.
  What a tactful way to put it, JEAN.  8)

 ROSEMARY, I hope you know a really good divorce lawyer who could help out your friend
with the toad ex-husband. (Pro bono would probably be necessary.)  It's a shame that so many
men with money get away with this kind of thing. What are the laws in England regarding
wife abuse? Could she still bring charges against him for that?  I really hate to see
people get away with things like this. Are there women's support groups that could help?
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« Reply #2930 on: March 10, 2012, 02:30:37 PM »
Babi the laws do not help a darn thing - the cross examination either in court or in the attorney's office as they poiund out a settlement is so withering and brutal that most women cry 'uncle' because they are taken down to the nub and think they can do it alone just to preserve some dignity.

If the guy is a batterer he is most probably abusing the kids and that cannot be brought into the arrangement for financial divisions unless it was proved in court and that means, you have your kids, who you want to protect going through a cross examination that even if their statement  and cross exam takes place in a special room it is still brutal and it is asking the kids to take sides that is traumatic for them. Regardless the abuse most kids cannot relinquish a connection and a fantasy expectation of future good from a parent.

To add to the injustice - since none of that is part of the arrangement often - too often - the judge awards equal or partial unsupervised visits with the kids and their so called father. So you have to calmly regardless, of your fear and rage, train your kids how to protect themselves and who to call  - Then if the father up and moves to a different part of the country that requires the kids to travel there is the risk they won't come back -

 Most often the kids are nothing but a pawn to this guys rage at having lost because that is what they think - the divorce is a loss that everyone feels but their ability to take that loss seems less mature - or they are simply playing out their controlling competitive spirit  even if they have another woman.

Having a law means nothing...
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« Reply #2931 on: March 10, 2012, 04:12:32 PM »
There are some really GREAT attorneys out there now who have highly successful techniques for getting the best possible results for their female clients.  Most of these are women, but some are men.

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« Reply #2932 on: March 10, 2012, 06:56:14 PM »
Mary.  And most of them are in States where it is Community property. Splits down the middle.  Attorneys make out good on those.  Our state does not have it.  Most will now fight for the one they think they can bill more hours on.  Suppose still a few out there that will not charge as much.  Not know any lately.  They are mostly in partnerships anymore and have to make money

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« Reply #2933 on: March 10, 2012, 07:20:30 PM »
NOT good in community property states either - I can give you a litany of names of women who have been burned and some you would not believe - I am on that list and we are a community property state - we do not like to hear this and there are I am sure many enlightened courts and attorneys - it would be so great to have a list of them for each state - the one lawyer who was good at helping here when I was going through all this was so over booked she recommended another and I was burned.

None of this is comfortable to hear and it is easy to minimize it since we know we are always walking on ice that it could be someone we care about that goes through the experience however, our not wanting to hear and tackle these difficulties keeps us from being a support to each other. I do admit when you have no clue how to make a change in a system it is hard to keep hearing of the abuses within the system.

I think the biggie is not the courts and the lawyer skills but the emotional drain and the protective nature we have toward our children and the desire to feel we can take care of ourselves rather than what feels like fighting with someone who injured you or your kids and that is what they use as their whipping stick - our integrity.
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« Reply #2934 on: March 10, 2012, 08:21:34 PM »
Rosemary, you and i may not put down ALL women, but in this Visiting Nurse Agency, where i would suppose only a minority of women there would consider tbemselves feminists- largely because they have bought the Rush Limbaugh rant against "feminazis- i heard it almost everyday, even, and maybe, especially by the managers. I was stunned! How could you be a woman who has studied and worked primarily w/ women and have such prejudice against women!?! Well, as i said, i think they had bought the mass media -this was in 1995 & 96- and societies' negative sterotypes about women and because they hadn't worked in male dominated agencies, they believed the positive sterotypes that men are more organized, more businesslike, less snarky, more goal oriented, less gossipy, etc. Believe me! I worked for DofA for 13 yrs, 90% of my co-workers and superiors were men........there is very little difference, except that men have much greater competition build into them. There egos are often much more fragile then many women i have worked with.

 My classic example was that at one point the Chief-of-staff was a 6'7" full bird colonel -the highest rank before "general". In the hierarchy of the installation, he had authority over a 6'5" Company Commander, but the Co Cmmdr had seniority in terms of time in rank. In other words in a situation outside the installation, the Co Cmdr would have outranked the CofS. So
in staff mtgs where the C of S had authority, they had a constant running battle on almost
every subject that came up. As one woman captain said to me "we're wasting an hour a week on a p...ing contest." and that mgt was full of the highest ranking people om post, so it was a
lot of wasted time and resources.
Jean

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« Reply #2935 on: March 11, 2012, 06:35:50 AM »
IPAD lovers.. I love Playrix games. I have at least four on the IPAD and enjoy them..
I know some opposite cases. We have a female shark attorney where I lived for many years. She has female clients who have really gotten more than their fair share of alimony and child support.. It is like a personal mission to her.. But she satisfied clients.. But since I know her as a human.. she is a mess personally..She loves much much younger men,, buys them expensive toys and then cant figure why they eventually disappoint her. How she can be so bright in court and so dumb in personal life has always intrigued me.
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« Reply #2936 on: March 11, 2012, 01:02:37 PM »
Steph  I seem to be arguing with everyone in the past few days - I know this issue has me by the tail - please - my being so contrary has nothing to do with any of you - it is the issue - here of late hearing our intimate life details batted around and getting smacked like a baseball is humiliating and it is making me feel like all women are expected to walk through fire just because we are women.

I am so glad there is some who are getting an equitable settlement - but it seems to me to be a shame that there are only a handful of attorneys in each area rather than it being the norm - and as to your friends personal life - I wonder other than a knowing smile and a shake of the head if she were a guy would you have the same opinion of him if he dated around younger "trophy" women and purchased them gifts etc.
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« Reply #2937 on: March 11, 2012, 01:53:54 PM »
Barbara, I am with you.  Seriously and sincerely, I am with you.

THIS IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE:

The life history of each female of our species:

1. birth to age 18, her body the business of her mother or female guardian, her doctors, and to some degree herself.
2. age 18 to marriage, her body the business of herself and her doctors.
3. marriage to husband's death, her body the business of herself, her doctors and her husband.
4. NEVER is her body subject to any interference or rules or regulations from church or state.

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« Reply #2938 on: March 11, 2012, 02:22:19 PM »
You said it MaryPage - yes, you said it as it should be - problem for generations I think women knew how it should be but we still do not seem to be able to get what should be to what is... I think it is going to take more risk and courage than I ever imagined -

I just heard from my good friend who did go to Mass this morning and lo and behold during the homily again about birth control, a women stood up and gave a women's logic and point of view right out loud and then sat down - she said the silence in the chapel was deafening and the priest went on as if there was no interruption - after Mass only a few stayed around outside with a knowing smile while the majority simply drove off. Now that was either courage or someone that has had enough and could care little for protocol.
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« Reply #2939 on: March 11, 2012, 02:22:49 PM »
Sorry you're having such problems, Barb.  You can ALWAYS vent here!
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« Reply #2940 on: March 11, 2012, 02:25:22 PM »
Thanks MaryZ - looks like once I realize what is going on I can calm down - but I was really going for a couple of days - ah so and such is life...
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« Reply #2941 on: March 11, 2012, 02:32:02 PM »
Barb, I just hate that you (or any woman) has to go through that sort of thing.  My sister pretty well got screwed over in her divorce in the early 1970s.
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« Reply #2942 on: March 11, 2012, 11:10:15 PM »
She (the lawyer) obviously finds fleeting happiness with younger men - I say go for it girl!!!
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« Reply #2943 on: March 12, 2012, 06:45:16 AM »
Well Barb, I truly would have a very low opinion of a male who was that silly as well as my friend. My feelings however concern the fact, that each time, she falls deeply in love according to her , moves in and has been known to marry a few of them.. and then boom.. Its not the young that bothers me, its the fact that they are always the same type.. Handsome, vain, stupid,,and not even a little in love with her.. Sad..
My body is my business. Always has been, always will be. I have strong opinions about abortion , because I had a friend when I was a teen, who had two and I drove her to both. I remember her pain.. the fact we were doing something illegal..the secretiveness, I particularly dislike that abortion is still considered a problem for women, but they sure couldnt get that way except for help from a male..Babies are produced from two people. but the idea of this stupid.. Hold an aspirin between your knees.. Hah.. like they are not the cause as well. Nuts.
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« Reply #2944 on: March 12, 2012, 07:25:49 AM »
Bottom line, women in this country still need to stand up and be of ONE VOICE and settle the question (which should not even exist) once and for all:

We own our own bodies.  We deserve the freedom and the full right to complete privacy as to the choices we make regarding our individual bodies and the reproductive systems they contain.  Each of us must be firmly of the conviction that neither the State nor the Church can make any judgment whatsoever as to what we may or not do with our own bodies.

Until we win that battle for all time, we are no better than sex slaves.  We are without dignity.  We are cowed.

If we do not believe the situation is as I describe, then we should stop for just a moment and consider the five Old Men who were asked to testify before the congress on female contraception!  Five Old Men!

Then, when one 30-year old woman was asked to testify by the opposition, she was branded a whore and a slut.  No where, NO WHERE in all of her testimony or in interviews since did she ever mention her own use or non use of contraceptives.  She has spoken only of the many ways OTHER THAN contraception these medications are of medicall use.

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« Reply #2945 on: March 13, 2012, 06:11:34 AM »
Oh Mary Page. , you said it so well. I agree with every word and will never ever understand why men think they should be in charge of our bodies. It is my experience, that a good many men cannot seem to control their own.. or power goes to their heads and they simply assume that all women will fall at their feet..
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« Reply #2946 on: March 13, 2012, 08:58:00 AM »
 One thing that has both amused and irritated me,  is the males who feel the little woman should
do all she can to keep herself looking great for him,  but feels no necessity whatever to keep
himself in shape for her.  :P
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« Reply #2947 on: March 13, 2012, 03:18:52 PM »
BABI: right on!

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« Reply #2948 on: March 14, 2012, 06:11:02 AM »
Oh Babi, that is funny. I had a husband who was the opposite..Very very fussy about his weight and general condition..Another one of the reasons that I simply cannot imagine dating.
I finished On Agate Hill. If you treasure the south and its people, you wll love the book.. Lee Smith loves where she lives and this is also a hymn to parts of North Carolina as well as a compelling story. Molly is a great leading character.. I loved her and hated the book to end.
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« Reply #2949 on: March 14, 2012, 08:19:44 AM »
 Unfortunately, my local library doesn't have the book, STEPH.  I do plan to check out the county
library, too, and see whether someone might have posted the book in the PB Swap Club. I know
almost nothing about North Carolina, except it's supposed to be lovely countryside. I'd love to
meet Molly.
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« Reply #2950 on: March 15, 2012, 06:19:42 AM »
Actually I got the book from the paperback swap club. But I wont be returning it soon. I have a daughter in law who wants to read the book..
I am back on the Barbara Hambly.. Wet Graves.. Almost finished. I like her series on Benjamin January, but it is grim in spots.
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« Reply #2951 on: March 15, 2012, 06:20:24 PM »
I admit I couldn't get through a Benjamin January book.

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« Reply #2952 on: March 16, 2012, 06:33:41 AM »
I love the books, but they are grim in places. Still the lives of free coloured and how New Orleans worked is fascinating to me.
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« Reply #2953 on: March 16, 2012, 06:46:32 PM »
For those of you who love historical fiction, I would highly recommend  "Peony in Love" by Lisa See.  She is the author of "Snowflower and the Secret Fan" which was made into a movie. Both good books but Peony is quite different as the author uses fantasy to tell her story.

While doing research on another book, much to Lisa See's surprise, she finds that  in the 1600's, in China's Yangzi Delta, there were thousands of women authors who were published.
And not only that, but many were professional woman writers who not only wrote for large public audiences but also supported their families with their written words.  Although the women were mostly wealthy, having bound feet and living in seclusion.

The author wonders why she has never heard about them before now.  Why haven't we all been aware of these women?

If you want to read this book, please read the Author's Note at the end of the book on page 275 BEFORE you read the story.  Please!!!
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« Reply #2954 on: March 17, 2012, 06:11:46 AM »
I like Lisa See and have read most of her books. I particularly like the series she does on the Red Princes and Princesses. Seems the aristocracy in China is the children and grandchildren of the original followers..
I had a young friend who is chinese. She loves Lisa and adores Shanghai Girls. She says that is the story of her life..
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« Reply #2955 on: March 17, 2012, 09:20:42 AM »
 How intriguing, ANNIE.  Thousands of unkown women authors, and from early 17th century
China! Was it mostly poetry, I wonder.  I simply must go dig into this and see what I can
find.
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« Reply #2956 on: March 17, 2012, 10:20:26 AM »
I really liked this book as you can see but after rereading the Author's notes and book cover's flaps, I think that just reading those flaps is sufficient for your pre-reading.  But don't miss the notes after you read it.
Also, this is historical/fiction and there is a fair amount of fantasy/dreams but so delightful to read.  So artfully crafted that you just sink into the story and let it carry you along.  The author did a tremendous amount of research, as mentioned all through her notes and her credits.

Babi,
I think that much poetry was published but if a woman is supporting her family, wouldn't she need to write something longer?  Maybe a whole book of poetry.

Its so nice to know that I am not the only one who enjoys Lisa See's writings.

Stephanie,

 Thanks for mentioning  "Shanghai Girls" as I had not read it and didn't know it was biographical.  I will reserve at my library today.  :)
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« Reply #2957 on: March 18, 2012, 06:39:47 AM »
I dont think that Shanghai Girls is biographical for Lisa See, but my young friend who manages a chinese restaurant and raises two little girls by herself feels it is biographical for her.. She actually was married to a shadow son..
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« Reply #2958 on: March 18, 2012, 08:56:08 AM »
 STEPH,  now you must tell me what a 'shadow son' is!  You quite woke me up with
that intriguing little morsel.
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« Reply #2959 on: March 18, 2012, 12:02:16 PM »

Yes, Stephanie]
What is a shadow son?
 
I liked this book so much that I am thinking of putting it up in the Suggestions folder.  It would make a good group discussion what with the successful women in China in the 17th century plus perusing all the myths and rules that these women lived by.  Just reading her description of foot binding raised my eyebrows.  And their diet is so different!  The book is easy to get  at the library.  Mine has 25 copies of this title.
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