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ginny

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« Reply #22320 on: April 01, 2021, 08:55:13 PM »

The Library


Our library  is open 24/7; the welcome mat is always out.
Do come in from daily chores and spend some time with us.



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« Reply #22321 on: April 01, 2021, 08:56:18 PM »
Frybabe, that's Dana who loves that series but she's not alone, a lot of people swear by it. Let us know what you think.
 
I just finished The Man of High Empire  on the life of Pliny the Younger by Roy Gibson of the University of Durham (UK)  and I can't recommend it too highly. It's wonderful.

That was a fun challenge Rosemary set us  with the book lists. Could we make one of our own, do you think? I was wondering how far we could get using numbers, that is starting with book titles with the number ONE and then going to TWO,  THREE, and so forth. The idea would be NOT to look them up until everybody gave up, we'd have to do it on the honor system.

I can start, because I know one with ONE:

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest....

But what about Two?




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« Reply #22322 on: April 02, 2021, 07:23:25 AM »
Great challenge Ginny - but nothing beginning with 'two' comes immediately to mind, I will have to think about that one!

I have finally located my copy of A Room of One's Own - I have sent a photo of it to Ginny to see if she would very kindly insert it into this post, as it is a nice Bloomsbury Classics copy.   

A twitter friend and reviewer is re-reading To the Lighthouse, so I asked her about A Room of One's Own (as this will be a re-read for me). She said she recalled, as I do, reading it as a teenager and feeling very militant about the issues it raises - but when she re-read it (as a 50+ woman) she found parts of it quite funny. I wonder how I will feel about it after all these years - it's interesting to note how our reactions to books can change as we live our lives, isn't it?

I am reading Murder in Mesopotamia for the #1936Club. It's a long time since I've read any Agatha Christie, and I must say I am struck by all the snobbery, racism, sexism and really everything-ism. But I remind myself this was published 80+ years ago. I also found my copy of South Riding, which also qualifies. I'd like to read it, as I've seen two very good TV adaptations over the years, but it's long, so i thought I'd get the Christie under my belt then see how I am doing before turning to Winifred. She, of course, had very different political leanings from Agatha.

I've just read Business As Usual by Jane Oliver, which was first published in 1933 (not 1936, inconveniently) and has been republished by Handheld Press. It's about a girl who, having garduated from university, returns to her parents' home in Edinburgh. She is engaged to be married to Basil, a very proper and, as we realise over the course of the book, rather pompous. surgeon. She decides that before she marries she wants to spend a year in London earning her own money, so she takes herself off on the train, and eventually gets employed at Everyman's, (really Selfridges), in their book shop and lending library - in those days many large stores had libraries, and posted books out to their members.  In this store there are three classes of membership, A, B & C, according to price, and those who are in the lowliest group only get dog-eared and sometimes stained copies, whereas those in the top one get all the lovely new hardback editions.

The entire story is told in letters - from Hilary to her fiance and her parents - and memos between various members of staff. The letters from disgruntled titled ladies and crusty colonels complainng about the books they have been sent are very entertaining.

It does give an insight into working life on the other side of the counter in a department store at the peak of its success, and also shows the struggles of the underpaid workers, who live in dingy basement flats, or at home with their parents.

Of course the thing I found irritating about the whole thing was that Hilary is really only playing at being a worker - although she does indeed stay in a very depressing flat for a while, she always knows she can go home at any time, and that she will be married to a wealthy man at the end of the year. And her frequent assertions that her family is 'poor' are of course very middle class and relative - some of her family are aristocrats, and she is wined and dined by Great Aunt (Lady) Bertha, who sends round lovely furniture (from the store itself) when she sees what Hilary is living with. Hilary is also invited to smart weekend parties at other relations' country piles.

In the end Hilary's life turns out rather differently from how she had thought it would, but the ending is of course happy.

It's a fun book, and interesting, but not one to be taken too seriously. The depiction of the library back room, with all its staff hirearchies and petty squabbles, is the best bit, and I'm not sure that offices are really any different today.

I've also listened to Stella Gibbons' novel Westwood and Dodie Smith's play Dear Octopus (first staged in the war) on BBC Sounds, and enjoyed both.

And we are finally watching The Crown on Netflix!  We're just up to the time of the Princess Margaret/Peter Townsend affair. It does show you just how difficult the Queen's position was, and how dreadful the Queen Mother and the palace aides could be. The QM does not come out of it at all well - by the time of my childhood she seemed to be just a cheery old lady, but my mother confirms that she was, when younger, dreadful. I wonder if, had Margaret been allowed to marry Townsend, she would have settled down and lived a 'normal' upper class life, or whether she was just the kind of person who had to have constant excitement, so would have been wayward whatever happened? Claire Foy is just wonderful, isn't she? So much conveyed in just a glance (as it was when she was playing Anne Boleyn in Wolf Hall.)

Right, back to thinking about titles beginning with Two....are there any?!

Rosemary

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« Reply #22323 on: April 02, 2021, 07:43:34 AM »
Probably not. hahaha Thing will probably die before it starts, but I've got another ONE, actually, I started reading One by One by  Ruth Ware, her newest one about a ski Resort which is snowed in (sound familiar?) Anyway, so far I'm having a bit of a problem identifying with the cast of characters, all from a SNOOP website but her books are like that and I expect to be able to want to be with them  (kind of like that movie about the start up of Facebook, what was it called, with all the very very clever Geeks introducing themselves. Whoopee. I may want to kill them all before they even get there).

Meanwhile am watching Poirot now in season 8, love the vintage art deco stuff, clothes, cars, and Busby Berkeley type escapism. Except Poirot in these last ones is more angry at the conclusions.

Yes I'm really looking forward to the Virginia Woolf and seeing what we think NOW!

Almost want to reread Babbitt, to be honest but I am sure Our Town would still drive me mad, or I think so?

I wonder if we took the worst book we thought ever existed (with two exceptions I can think of right off the bat) but one we did not appreciate and then reread it and see what we think now. The great REREAD!


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« Reply #22324 on: April 02, 2021, 08:00:36 AM »
I loathed The Secret History. And The Five People You Meet in Heaven, Tuesdays with Morrie, The Other Hand, The Reluctant Fundamentalist...and quite a few others....Not sure if I could face reading any of them twice!

I meant to mention that I have been listening to a podcast made by two American book bloggers. It's quite good in parts, though they do have an annoying habit of saying just about every book is 'so freakin' good' and they go on about 'trigger warnings' far too much for my middle-aged/British tastes. There's also an overdose of abbreviations. But what made me laugh this week was their dicussion of how people work out their star ratings for books.

They had read a post by another blogger - I think she was called Liz - in which she had said that if she gave a 1* rating, it apparently meant 'this book added to my reading experience' - for goodness sake! I think I would be tempted to say 'what was this meaningless twaddle supposed to impart?', but one of the two rather PC podcast women said 'oh Liz, she is just so full of grace.'  ::) ;D

I think Americans must be much more polite than we are. If I'd read a book that I deemed worthy of only one star, I don't think I'd feel that it had 'added to my reading experience', rather that it had consumed time that I could have used to read something better.

I think I'd better stick to my friend Simon's podcast, Tea or Books. I sometimes also listen to Backlisted, which is a much more popular one - they read great books, but the main speakers are two guys who really do have a very high opinion of themselves, and continually interrupt any guest they have invited to join them. But maybe it's just me who finds that irritating, as it gets lots of very positive reviews.

Rosemary

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« Reply #22325 on: April 02, 2021, 08:03:20 AM »
Would The No1 Ladies' Detective Agency count for the 'one'?  ;D

Also One Fine Day.

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« Reply #22326 on: April 02, 2021, 08:27:45 AM »
A Tale of Two Cities

rosemarykaye

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« Reply #22327 on: April 02, 2021, 08:45:37 AM »
Can we have ones where the word is in it but not necessarily at the beginning?  I think that would make it more do-able!

Though now of course I can’t think of any...

rosemarykaye

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« Reply #22328 on: April 02, 2021, 08:46:15 AM »
Agatha Christie: One, Two, Buckle My Shoe..?

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« Reply #22329 on: April 02, 2021, 09:56:35 AM »
Ginny didn't say the book had to start with the number.  I agree that makes it too hard, and less interesting.  I do have one that starts with two, though: J.R.R. Tolkien's The Two Towers, middle volume of the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

I read Ginny's post just before going to bed, so instead of reading myself to sleep I lay there trying to think of titles.  Of the first ten, I was missing one, seven, and nine, and I've now thought of those--should have thought of seven immediately, since it's a book I was just thinking of.

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« Reply #22330 on: April 02, 2021, 10:08:20 AM »
Oops.  "starting with book titles with the number one" could be interpreted either way.

Well, The Three Musketeers is good.

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« Reply #22331 on: April 02, 2021, 10:16:29 AM »
Pat!!! Aren't you smart! I actually also lay awake half the night and here you are with two and three and up to 7 and 9 even?

Oh no  Rosemary not to start, that would be extremely difficult, anywhere in the title is fine, and there you are too with a 2 also!

I could NOT think of a 2.

And now Pat has a 3!!!!   But no, they don't have to start out the title, we'd never? get past 3 apparently. haahhaa

Ok so on to 4 ALREADY! I knew we could do our own (well I did "One" anyway).

Four... hmm.

rosemarykaye

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« Reply #22332 on: April 02, 2021, 10:24:56 AM »
Is there a Sherlock Holmes called The Sign of Four, or did I just make that up?

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« Reply #22333 on: April 02, 2021, 10:26:52 AM »
OH I think SO! Is it a story or a book? Can we count stories?

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« Reply #22334 on: April 02, 2021, 10:27:25 AM »
I've got to go get groceries, this is SO much more interesting.

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« Reply #22335 on: April 02, 2021, 10:40:19 AM »
The Sign of Four is a full length book, the second Sherlock Holmes book length story.

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« Reply #22336 on: April 02, 2021, 10:43:53 AM »
That was going to be my four, but fortunately, I have another: Four Ways to Forgiveness, by Ursula K. LeGuin.

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« Reply #22337 on: April 02, 2021, 11:01:05 AM »
There's another rule we should consider: no Janet Evanovich.  If one of our mystery readers is a fan, they will have a complete list.  Evanovich's detective is the ditzy Stephanie Plum, who makes a precarious living as a bounty hunter for her cousin's bail bond business and, with her side kick Lula, a retired hooker, solves such mysteries as come her way.  Each title has the book's number in it, and we're now up to Twisted Twenty Six.

The books vary in quality, but a lot of them are good--light hearted and funny, with a rich picture of some colorful characters in working class Trenton, New Jersey.

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« Reply #22338 on: April 02, 2021, 12:46:45 PM »
Fair enough!  I’ve never read any of them so they would not have come to mind, but now I’ll definitely avoid using them!

Five:

Five Quarters of the Orange - Joanne Harris

Five go to Kirrin Island (and Five do just about anything else involving secret caves, smugglers, camping, etc) - Enid Blyton


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« Reply #22339 on: April 02, 2021, 12:47:45 PM »
And me too I Ginny - I’m away to Tesco’s. Don’t do too many numbers while I’m out!

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« Reply #22340 on: April 02, 2021, 05:53:32 PM »
Fifth Business is the first book of Canadian writer Robertson Davies' Deptford Trilogy, one of his best.

Now We Are Six, A. A. Milne.

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« Reply #22341 on: April 02, 2021, 06:00:27 PM »
Oh Pat! Two numbers at once!

For six: Six Dinner Sid (about a cat who visits every house in his road for dinner.)

Seven: The Secret Seven (Enid Blyton again...), and The Seven Dials Mystery (Agatha Christie)

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« Reply #22342 on: April 02, 2021, 06:50:25 PM »
OH!! Now We Are Six!! And TWO 7's!!!

Now what did we decide on the No List other than Janet  Evanovich? How about the short story? How many pages makes something a book length short story?

Eight!!!! Eight. I don't know what's wrong with my brain!

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« Reply #22343 on: April 02, 2021, 06:51:43 PM »
I've got an 80 if we get that far?

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« Reply #22344 on: April 02, 2021, 08:14:09 PM »
There’s Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, if we get THAT far.

We didn’t settle about short stories.  I vote we allow them.

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« Reply #22345 on: April 02, 2021, 08:37:18 PM »
 I GOT IT!!!   Eight is enough!! It's an autobiography  the TV show was based on!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, let's allow them or we'll not get too far!

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« Reply #22346 on: April 02, 2021, 08:57:04 PM »
For my seven:

Seven Gothic Tales,  Isak Dinesen

Surely we're going to have to start skipping soon.

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« Reply #22347 on: April 03, 2021, 07:41:07 AM »
Oh, I am missing the fun. Well, here is my attempt to catch up.

Agatha Christie did one called Towards Zero.

One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish Blues Fish by Dr. Seuss, recent victim of cancel culture. A "twofer" as they say. When we are done with numbers, maybe we can try colors.

Three Cups of Tea by Greg Mortenson

I am number 4 by by Pittacus Lore, one of a series.

Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut.

Six of Crows
by Leigh Bardugo

Seven Years in Tibet by Heinrich Harrer

Eight Men Out: The Black Sox and the 1919 World Series
by Eliot Asinof and Stephen Jay Gould

The Perfect Nine: The Epic of Gĩkũyũ and Mũmbi
by Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o. This is in my wish list. This book is longlisted for the International Booker Prize.

Windows 10 for Dummies . I think they are up to the 4th edition now and even have one specifically for seniors.

Station Eleven
by Emily St. John Mandel.

Twelfth Night
by William Shakespeare

13 Hours: The Inside Account of What Really Happened in Benghazi
by Mitchell Zuckoff, Annex Security Team, et al.

Okay that's enough for now. I've read eight of these.

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« Reply #22348 on: April 03, 2021, 08:45:37 AM »
Oh, good, Frybabe, I was hoping you'd join us.  Though you did use the only eleven I thought of.  We're going to start duplicating each other soon anyway.  The going's about to get tough.

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« Reply #22349 on: April 03, 2021, 09:36:14 AM »
Eight Cousins, by Louisa May Alcott

The Nine Tailors, by Dorothy L. Sayers  (That's the one I should have thought of right away, because I'd been thinking. about it the day before.)

Ten Years Later, by Alexandre Dumas  This is the last of the Three Musketeers books, following Twenty Years After.  It's sometimes called other names, or broken up into three books, but the volume I read as a teenager was called Ten Years Later, so it's fair.

Now I'll eat a late breakfast and ponder eleven.

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« Reply #22350 on: April 03, 2021, 12:35:31 PM »
I have had 10 Years Later in my E-book TBR queue for several years. I also got The Count of Monte Cristo, which I read eons ago, to listen to. I may just do that as a refresher before tackling it though.

As long as I snuck back in here for a minute, there is..
The Cat Who Had 14 Tales by Lilian Jackson Braun. This is not part of her The Cat Who series, but 14 of her cat related short stories. 

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« Reply #22351 on: April 03, 2021, 02:03:21 PM »
Just remember two right now. The house of 7 Gables and The 6 wives of Henry the eighth by Alison Weir. 7 Gables of course by Hawthorne.

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« Reply #22352 on: April 03, 2021, 02:37:45 PM »
Been out all day (fabulous weather, long walk by the river from Dinnet to Cambus O'May, where the newly restored bridge has just re-opened this week. It is one of the lovely white ones and looks spectacular. The last one, which we crossed many times when the children were small, was severely damaged in floods a few years ago - even caravans from one of the sites upriver were washed into the bridge that night.  Today it was as still as still, sun shining on the water, birds singing, and the beautiful new bridge to see.

So now I am all behind!

Eight: Eight Months of Ghazzah Street by Hilary Mantel (an early novel of hers, which I loved, about a woman who goes to live in Saudi Arabia because of her husband's job. The expat community is one of heavy drinkers who are just there for the money. She is not allowed to work, and is more or less confined in her flat; as her sense of self starts to disappear, she hears noises from the allegedly empty flat upstairs. Is something sinister going on, or is she imagining it?)

Nine: Nine Months in Tibet by Rupert Wolfe Murray. Rupert came to my daughter's (Steiner) school to talk about his book, and more importantly about how the pupils should follow their dreams, not be afraid, and never give up. He loathed school and failed all of the exams, but eventually travelled to Tibet alone and had a lot of adventures. He is one of the sons of Stephanie Wolfe Murray, the founder of Canongate Books.

Ten: The book now called And then there were none, by Agatha Christie, was originally called Ten Little N-----s, and then Ten Little Indians. My youngest daughter always turns my edition, which is old and bears the original title, to the wall when she visits. But even if we ignore the first title, maybe the second one can count?  If not the only other one I can think of is Graham Greene - The Tenth Man.

Eleven is proving too much for my tiny brain at this hour of the day....I'll think about it when I'm going to sleep and see if anything pops up...

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« Reply #22353 on: April 03, 2021, 09:29:35 PM »
Just received Twelve Ordinary men by John MacArthur, a loan from my sister-in-law.She’s a fan of the author and has quite a few books by him.

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« Reply #22354 on: April 03, 2021, 09:36:03 PM »
The 11th Hour - Many different authors.  The 11th Hour of the 11th Day - WWII, Russia/Germany (I think)
The reading of a fine book is an uninterrupted dialogue in which the book speaks and our soul replies.


André Maurois

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« Reply #22355 on: April 03, 2021, 09:38:10 PM »
P.S. I have “13 Days” by Robert Kennedy.

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« Reply #22356 on: April 04, 2021, 10:23:15 AM »
Hi, Fran, I like your economy in getting six and eight in one title.

Rosemary, certainly Ten Little Indians counts.  I was going to use it too, until I thought of Ten Years Later.

To catch up:

Eleven: I'll have to stick with Station Eleven.  I can't think of anything else.

Twelve: The Wind's Twelve Quarters, by Ursula K. LeGuin.

Thirteen: The Thirteen Clocks, by James Thurber  This is a surreal fairy tale, with lots of wordplay to amuse the adults.  My favorite line, from the Duke who has imprisoned the Princess: "Everyone has their faults, and mine is that I'm wicked."

Now I'm stuck, at least temporarily.  I've got seventeen, twenty, and twenty-one waiting their turn, and that's it until further inspiration.

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« Reply #22357 on: April 04, 2021, 12:36:27 PM »
Thanks Pat!

I simply cannot do eleven, so I am moving on to:

Twelve: is Twelve Years A Slave a book, or just a film?

Also, last week I coincidentally brought some more British Library Crime Classics back from Edinburgh, and one of them (I have no idea where I got it) is Verdict of Twelve by Raymond Postgate. I've just been reading about Postgate - he was apparently once a Communist, then, disenchanted with the party and especially with Stalin, a Socialist - but he was also the founder of the Good Food Guide!  It seems this was initially created to democratise eating out and demystify wine for the ordinary reader - but by the time I was a child it seemed to feature only restaurants that would have been way outside my parents' pockets, and my mother would have considered it (like so many things!) 'not for the likes of us.'

Postgate's son Oliver was the creator of some early and much-loved children's TV programmes, such as Bagpuss, the Clangers and Ivor the Engine.

It's amazing what you learn when you start digging around!

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« Reply #22358 on: April 04, 2021, 12:52:12 PM »
It turns out Twelve Years a Slave is a book too, originally published in 1853.

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« Reply #22359 on: April 04, 2021, 01:05:19 PM »
Thank you!