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« Reply #3880 on: November 01, 2012, 04:36:28 PM »
         
This is the place to talk about the works of fiction you are reading, whether they are new or old, and share your own opinions and reviews with interested readers.

Every week the new bestseller lists come out brimming with enticing looking books and rave reviews. How to choose?


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You are back, MaryPage. I was wondering how you fared during the storm.

MaryPage

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« Reply #3881 on: November 01, 2012, 04:45:50 PM »
It was just the same old, same old average hurricane for us.  I was never without power, but DID lose Comcast, so I had no land telephone, no cable television (which is all I have), and no WiFi;  ergo, no internet or email.

Now they are back, and so am I!

Babi

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« Reply #3882 on: November 02, 2012, 08:50:09 AM »
 That does sound like a very thoughtful provision for the handicapped and physically feeble,
MARYPAGE. Since I voted early by mail, I don't really know what provision, if any, was made
here. It would be great if all voting sites made similar arrangements.
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« Reply #3883 on: November 02, 2012, 11:42:56 AM »
Voting. I remember as a young person inDelaware where I grew up, that the entire area had the day off on Election Day, but that seems to have stopped all over.. My mother was a national committe woman and so I was a volunteer at the voting booths in our little town. I took down the name of every single voter as they came in and a runner came in once an hour and took them, Then they weeded them out by party and called their particular party members if they had not voted yet. Very efficient..
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« Reply #3884 on: November 02, 2012, 03:18:15 PM »
Remember when election day was a big deal and there was a non-cook buffet for the evening meal and everyone was all festive - there was always a white coconut covered president's cake for desert and folks came rushing into the house with the latest news as to how the vote was going and what was counted - store windows were decorated in bunting with bunting across the hallway as we entered school - it was one of thise important holidays like Armistice day that is no more.
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« Reply #3885 on: November 02, 2012, 06:20:30 PM »
Barb...I think those traditions must vary with the state/neighborhood.  There were never any buffets, etc. in my neighborhood of Ohio as a child.  Election Day was a workday for my Dad, and the only thing different about it was the talk of the election and then waiting around for radio, and then TV results of the election.   I do recall small American flags outside the polling places to kind of designate where they were...school or firehouse or whatever.

It seems that this year we've gotten a lot more paper mailings...in addition to the endless telephone calls and purported "surveys" [which really aren't...they just want you to agree with their statements ] from the various candidates or those endorsing candidates.  They run into 10-12 a day some days.  The mail is full of these fancy, colored mailings...over and over again.

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« Reply #3886 on: November 03, 2012, 06:22:22 AM »
I loved it, when you listened to the radio to find results. It took all night and we always stayed up, had a cold supper and listened to who was who.. Took days then.. I like that better than this instant stuff.
But now.. I just want it to be over. My phone rings constantly and since the numbers are blocked, I wont even answer it.. My mail is full of junk..The tv is bursting with stupid commercials for both sides. Oh the hate.. It makes me so uncomfortable.
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marjifay

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« Reply #3887 on: November 03, 2012, 08:04:33 AM »
Re those who are getting constant political telephone calls before the election, you might want to consider my solution to unwanted calls -- an unlisted number.

I agree with Steph, I don't like the instant reporting of the winner/winners.  I have a feeling that the outcome might be delayed this year since it will be a close one, and because of the Sandy storm and also a lot of problems in some states with who is or is not eligible to vote.

I'm on pins and needles, tho,' waiting for Tuesday.

Marj
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MaryPage

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« Reply #3888 on: November 03, 2012, 02:38:49 PM »
I rather desperately want it all to be over and the results agreed upon, but I am afraid I agree that it may take days, if not weeks or months, to finally settle the outcome.

My stomach ties up in knots, and I am trying to lose myself in World Without End, which I am now more than half way through.  I am now so familiar with the huge cast of characters that I found myself curious as to who plays whom in the new mini-series.  So I Googled List Cast of World Without End, and it did just that for me.  It also gives a thumbnail sketch of who they are and what they do, and Lo!  The screen writers have changed things around IMMENSELY, and I am very much afraid I will not like the series any more than I liked the mini-series of Pillars Of The Earth, which World Without End is sequel to.  Sigh!  So very frustrating.  However, I will watch the mini-series, just to see what they do with the plot and the people.

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« Reply #3889 on: November 03, 2012, 03:06:13 PM »
I ran the list also and only recognized 4 stars. Can't watch it because I don't have TV Cable.  May try to read the book later.  Usual for me not to finish reading this kind of book. Find I skip to many pages of the boring stuff.

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« Reply #3890 on: November 03, 2012, 05:24:33 PM »
I just finished a book called The Meryl Streep Movie Club.  I really, really enjoyed it as I am a big fan of Meryl Streep.  Those of you who like her and her movies would enjoy this book.  Now I find myself searchin for her movies on tv and dvr ing them.  There were a couple mentioned in this book that I had not seen.
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« Reply #3891 on: November 04, 2012, 09:43:21 AM »
 Oh I just want this all to be over. The tv is solid commercial just now.. I dont even try to answer my house phone. It is always blocked, which means political, so I just let it go..Thank heaven for the cell phone.That doesnt get the nuisance calls.
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Babi

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« Reply #3892 on: November 04, 2012, 10:42:27 AM »
 I was somewhat amused by the remark by one commentator that the Romney team were already
getting Sandy ready as an excuse...presumably for poor showings. I frankly admit I am not
a Romney fan, at all.
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« Reply #3893 on: November 04, 2012, 12:19:18 PM »
If a lot of the people on the east coast cannot vote, there will be screams from whoever would have won those areas.  Thank heavens sanity prevailed in canceling the NY Marathon.  Now to see how they handle Tuesday.

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« Reply #3894 on: November 04, 2012, 01:06:13 PM »
Apparently they are working to get polling places operational in some form or other. They are also going to allow online voting in certain areas too, but don't ask me how they plan on doing that.

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« Reply #3895 on: November 04, 2012, 02:12:04 PM »
The only thing to do is turn off the TV.  But then there is the telephone.  I've had so many robocalls that it was a really big surprise to find a real "legitimate" person on the other end. Unfortunately, she was calling to extol the virtues of our "can't-get-pregnant-with-legitimate-rape" senatorial candidate.  That did not go over well here.

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« Reply #3896 on: November 05, 2012, 06:01:50 AM »
What is wrong with these men.. I cannot believe some of the stuff that has been said by ignorant males who have lots of opinions of what a woman can and cannot do with her body and how rape does not seem in their eyes to be all that bad.. Makes you wish that a man could be raped.. I know.. I know.. but darn it all, this is so stupid..
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Babi

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« Reply #3897 on: November 05, 2012, 09:06:27 AM »
A man can't be physically raped, but if someone were to humiliate him as badly as a woman is humiliated by rape, you'd
find a very different attitude.  THEN, he'd feel homicide was perfectly justified!  Fortunately, if I ever knew a guy like that,
I didn't know it.  The men in my family would be just as disgusted with that 'ignorant male' as I am.  I just hope they are
 only a very small minority now.
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jeriron

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« Reply #3898 on: November 05, 2012, 09:11:13 AM »
A man can be raped. It's done in prisons all the time.

Babi

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« Reply #3899 on: November 05, 2012, 09:25:23 AM »
 Oh, of course, JERIRON.  Where was my mind?   :-[   :-\    I think, tho', that my impression of a male's reaction to
humiliation is accurate, and you would think any intelligent male could see how hurtful it would be to a woman as well.
Obviously, the guy who made that outrageous statement about rape does not fit in that category, IMO.
 
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« Reply #3900 on: November 05, 2012, 10:01:33 AM »
Marjifay... Please check the personal Messages here. I've sent you some information about an email I received this morning that is supposed to look as if it's from you, but I don't think it is.

jane

jeriron

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« Reply #3901 on: November 05, 2012, 10:29:36 AM »
The men who have made these outrageous statements are politicians who will probably get elected or reelected back into office. That's the sad part.


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« Reply #3902 on: November 05, 2012, 11:59:33 AM »
Jane mentioned getting an email that looks like its from Marji, i've had several of those over the last couple of months. They had the name of younger members of the family, all of whom call me Aunt, so when the preview came up saying "Jean", i knew it wasn't from them. The person who is the supposed sender needs to change their password to their email.

Hope everybody is planning to vote, whatever the format......happy day.

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« Reply #3903 on: November 05, 2012, 12:25:56 PM »
Unless Marjifay IS in Mexico at the moment, I think this is a variation on the one that some may recall...says a person is in a foreign country and needs help, etc.  Anyway I didn't respond to it, but posted here where I know it's legit.

jane

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« Reply #3904 on: November 06, 2012, 06:25:52 AM »
I got a lot of those this last summer.. But when I check the actual email, it is not the person they say it is.. Some sort of scammer, no doubt. My granddaughter does not call me Stephanie nor does either of my sons.. so that made me stop and look.
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marjifay

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« Reply #3905 on: November 06, 2012, 07:20:20 AM »
Per Jane, "Unless Marjifay IS in Mexico at the moment, I think this is a variation on the one that some may recall...says a person is in a foreign country and needs help, etc.  Anyway I didn't respond to it, but posted here where I know it's legit."

Jane, that message was NOT from me.  Someone hacked into my computer and sent it to everyone on my email list.  I imagine if anyone anwered it, he would have then asked for money!  My virus protection service is up to date; we checked, and there is no virus in my computer.  I then changed my email account and password.  Hopefully this will not happen again.

Marj
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MaryPage

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« Reply #3906 on: November 06, 2012, 09:11:15 AM »
Election Day is here at long last, and I am hunkering down at work in my daughter's home.  This awful economy has just about done in my son-in-law's construction business, and three and a half years ago, in May 2009, he had to let his bookkeeper of 19 years go and take this old retired lady on for free.  I have also put all of my spare cash into trying to keep things going.  We finally moved out of the offices he had leased for over a quarter of a century and into their dining room and basement.  My bookkeeping office is in the dining room and he is in the basement.  Two cats keep him company.  Mostly he is out trying to get work.  ANY work to keep us going until things pick up.

I hope it will be all over tonight, but my rational mind tells me it will be days before we know, if not weeks or even months.  My tummy is in a turmoil.

Yes, men can get raped, and they hate it.  But they still do not equate it with women.  That awful guy who put up the "personhood" bill, a married man who looks to be in his sixties, was asked in an interview if he had considered pregnancy from the WOMAN'S point of being there, and he admitted he had never done so;  never for a nanosecond.  A fertilized egg that is not as big as the period at the end of this sentence is to become, through law, more important than a woman who has lived 13 to 45 years and been a good daughter, person, wife, mother, or whatever.  She can die, but the unknown "person" must be preserved at all costs, including, possibly, her life.

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« Reply #3907 on: November 06, 2012, 09:23:27 AM »
There are so many things I would like so much to see our news anchors say out loud, but they never do.  There are so many things doctors could go on television and say, but they do not, as far as I have seen or heard.  Newspapers could include these facts when they write up the latest story regarding a pompous ass speaking out about what utterly fantastical things my woman's body can do, but the print media shuts up.  I guess it is because men own most of the media, whatever form it takes.

When I sound so angry and anti-man, I should tell you I had 3 husbands, each of whom died of a different kind of cancer:  prostate, colon and melanoma.  They were all for women and women's rights and the ERA and pro-Choice, and encouraged me when I went to every demonstration in Washington, D.C. over the decades.  I have 3 sons who are totally into equality of the sexes.

One thing I would like to tell these men Tina Fey describes so deliciously is that hundreds of millions of fertilized eggs are lost down toilets every month of every year.  These are eggs which have been fertilized in the fallopian tubes, but pass right through the uterus without being successful in attaching themselves to a spot there.  Fact.  Ask any OB/GYN.

So are these persons?  If so, what god consigned them to end their short lives in the sewage pits of this world?

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« Reply #3908 on: November 06, 2012, 10:25:19 AM »
Re spam being sent to your entire address book:  Years ago, someone suggested putting a non-e-mail address as the first "name" in your listing (I use something like 0000@xyz.pdq).  When that fails to go anywhere, the rest of the list is cancelled, too.  I don't know if that really works or not, but it doesn't hurt anything.
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« Reply #3909 on: November 06, 2012, 08:17:04 PM »

Marjifay: That is exactly what happened to me about a month ago. My dtr called early in the morning and told me NOT to open my emails. Someone had evidently hacked my e-mail account
and sent out e-mails to everyone on my list.  What a mess to get that cleared up.  My son-in-law
took about 2 hours to clean it up, change my e-mail account (new password, etc.) 
JOY

Steph

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« Reply #3910 on: November 07, 2012, 08:25:10 AM »
seniorlearn is being very very balky this morning.
I am reading Pray for Silence by Linda Castillo..Someone recommende it here. It is good, but grim.. plus I am not entirely sympathetic to a female police chief, who drinks far too much and keeps losing it with suspects. Not a good image.
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« Reply #3911 on: November 07, 2012, 09:27:07 AM »
  I'd have to agree with that, STEPH.  Doesn't exactly help with our efforts to have women seen as capable in the tough
jobs.  I imagine today's policewomen would not be at all happy with Castillo's female police chief.
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marjifay

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« Reply #3912 on: November 07, 2012, 01:25:58 PM »
Well, MaryPage, men can get raped, but they can't get pregnant from it.

I was so glad to hear Claire McCaskill won the U.S. Senate race in Missouri against that idiot Todd Akin who said a woman could not get pregnant from a legitimate rape.

Marj
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« Reply #3913 on: November 07, 2012, 04:44:17 PM »
Why don't doctors, or the AMA, come out and say that there is no "legitimate science" behind the idea of "legitimate rape"?

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« Reply #3914 on: November 07, 2012, 04:58:30 PM »
Probably because it was never about rape - it was about marginalizing women as if we were back in the 1950s just like they try to marginalize anyone who does not look like a white middle to upper class family with a stay-at-home mother, coming from a European background.  The whole rape thing was reminiscent of a recent time when wives were raped all the time but since it was in the privacy of a home and a homemaker had no power it was ignored and if a rape happened in public it was the girls fault usually because of how she dressed, or that girls now show they are a sexual human being which was a no, no in the 50s. It was an attempt to shame so that women would hide rather than come out roaring as they did.
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« Reply #3915 on: November 07, 2012, 08:48:21 PM »
Men have been shaming women because of rape ever since the tale of Eve. 

Haven't you known this ever since you understood what rape entails?

It is ALL the woman's fault, even if she is 12 years old and he is 6 feet tall and weighs 200 pounds to her 85.  Little tart was asking for it.

I don't know how much your husbands told you, but I have had 3, all now dead, and they each admitted that men fantasize about raping women.  Not the violent kind, always, though many do,  but the 72 naked virgins in a beautiful garden in Paradise overindulgence in sex kind of thing.

It is hormonal, but it is much more than that.  It is Power and Dominance and Consolation for feeling inferior or overlooked or neglected.  It eases their urges to control other beings.

For the woman it is Betrayal, Loss of Control, Invasion of Privacy, Violation, Violence, Cruelty.

But their refusal to allow guilt to creep in makes men insist women really LOVE it!

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« Reply #3916 on: November 08, 2012, 05:49:00 AM »
I agree rape is not sex, but power..domination....because I can.. They use it as a weapon in many countries in Africa just now..
I was reading the other day that in Egypt, they are trying to form groups of people, male and female to stop males from grabbing and otherwise harassing women in Cairo.. Seems the police ignore it..
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« Reply #3917 on: November 08, 2012, 06:05:15 AM »
My 14 year old was pursued by a man driving a white van all the way up one of the main thoroughfares in Edinburgh recently - in the middle of the afternoon, broad daylight, very busy streets - he leant out of the window and shouted 'You can't get away, I'm going to stalk you' and she only got away by running into a shop.  She does not even dress provocatively (though that would be no justification IMO).  She has also been harrassed by men on the way home from school on the town bus (never on the train, which is thankfully taken almost exclusively by local workers and students on a daily basis).  If it happens again I am going to ask the police what they suggest she should do about it.  It infuriates me that these men - who no doubt think they are being hilariously funny in intimidating a young girl - can get away with it.

Rosemary

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« Reply #3918 on: November 08, 2012, 06:20:49 AM »
Rosemary, I honestly am of the opinion you should let the police know about this NOW.

Even if it never happens to your daughter again, this man is going to do it to SOMEONE.  The police need a report of this first episode and as good a description as possible.

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« Reply #3919 on: November 08, 2012, 08:56:14 AM »
From what I read this morning, quite a few Republicans lost their seats because of such
extremist views. Obviously, they mis-read the public sentiments on these issues. Maybe now
the President won't have quite as much trouble getting the support of the Senate in backing
his programs.
 Honestly, JOAN, I don't think the AMA would think the idiot worth a response.

  ROSEMARY, I agree with MaryPage.  A description of this man and the van should
go to the police.  Sooner or later he could harm some young girl, if he hasn't already.
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