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marjifay

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« Reply #5200 on: December 22, 2013, 08:07:15 AM »
         
This is the place to talk about the works of fiction you are reading, whether they are new or old, and share your own opinions and reviews with interested readers.

Every week the new bestseller lists come out brimming with enticing looking books and rave reviews. How to choose?


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Good luck on your knee replacement surgery, Carol.  Isn't it wonderful what doctors can do today?  My friend was getting so she could barely walk.  After her hip surgery, she's just fine.

Marj
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Winchesterlady

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« Reply #5201 on: December 22, 2013, 10:07:47 AM »
Thanks Marj -- I hear good things about the surgery but am still getting very nervous about it.
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Steph

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« Reply #5202 on: December 22, 2013, 11:28:02 AM »
I started Cuckoo,, but it is slow at the beginning.. Hopefully will pick up.  OK.. thats that. A sea of white fuzz just went by. The duck is definitely dead.. but the squeaker still works. He is upset, since I took it away and laid it up on the table. I will restuff, but not just now.
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« Reply #5203 on: December 23, 2013, 01:46:29 PM »
I reserved Lucy Gault at my library.  Wanted to read it on my iPad but no ebook do they have.

I am really enjoying "Saving the Drowning Fish" so far.

That does sound like a funny film, Marj.  I seem to remember Irene Dunne being in a comedy somewhere in her career.  I will have to google that.   ;)

Good grief, Irene Dunne had quite a career in musicals, comedy, on stage and on film.  I had no idea.     http://www.irenedunnesite.com/biography/biographical-outline/
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« Reply #5204 on: December 24, 2013, 09:04:29 AM »
I do remember Irene Dunn being a funny lady
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« Reply #5205 on: December 25, 2013, 08:02:48 PM »
So do I.  I always liked her.

Steph

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« Reply #5206 on: December 26, 2013, 02:01:22 PM »
Yes, she did subtle comedy. Not the slapstick type.. Everyone else loves Lucy,, I never did..Too broad.
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MaryPage

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« Reply #5207 on: December 26, 2013, 03:08:23 PM »
My sentiments precisely.

marjifay

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« Reply #5208 on: December 27, 2013, 11:16:29 AM »
I'm getting caught up on posts here.  Ginny wrote (re Kate Atkinson's book Life after Life) “What if we had a chance to do it again and again, until we finally did get it right? Wouldn’t that be wonderful?”  Do you think it would? Be wonderful? The concept is fascinating.  If somebody came along and said ok you get to do it again, would you?"
 
My answer is -- Definitely.  If I could press the rewind button on my life, I would stay single and not marry.  What a waste of time those 9 years of my married life were.  It was only after my divorce that I really began to live.  I'm probably the only one here who feels that way, tho.'

Marj
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« Reply #5209 on: December 27, 2013, 08:56:33 PM »
Not necessarily, Marj.  I think I would like to rewind my life and try it as a single.  But, only when I am upset and disliking my other half, do I make those sneaky little plans. Besides, who says we would be the same and how would we know it.  Life after life doesn't appeal to me.  BarbaraStAubrey made my case in her looooooooooooonnnnnnnggggg post last week!  Hahaha! ;D ;D

Steph, I had hard time with Lucy also.  Thought them all too loud!  But she was terrific when she aped Red Skelton and other comics.  And I loved Irene Dunne.  Her films were always low keyed but humorous. 

But I also loved Kate Hepburn and Spencer Tracy in their light hearted comedies. 
 
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« Reply #5210 on: December 28, 2013, 08:10:15 AM »
If I had it to do over again, I would marry much later in my life and have only one child.  I adore my children, mind;  but this world needs less people.  I would like a career first, and then turn my abilities into being the best possible mother to just one other human being.

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« Reply #5211 on: December 28, 2013, 09:07:32 AM »
I feel the same about children MaryPage.  Of course I love mine to bits, but although I'm not a great Virginia Woolf fan, I completely understand her view that there is no greater enemy to creativity than 'the pram in the hall'.  And she came from a time and class when mothers had nannies & cooks.  I also recently read an interesting article about famous writers who died in 2013.  Doris Lessing was quoted as saying of motherhood:

 "There is no boredom like that of an intelligent woman who spends all day with a very small child."

Without wanting to sound too 'up myself' as my son would say, I do think many, many women of my generation struggled with the demands of young children more than our mothers did - because our expectations had been raised, and our education had continued to a much higher level than that of (most of) our predecessors. 

That is why, I think, I am so much enjoying my life now - at last I can get involved in all sorts of things, and it's hugely stimulating and fun.   I do wonder sometimes if I should have had children, as I'm certainly not a 'natural mother' and I was indeed bored stiff when they were little.  But hey-ho - we do our best, and of course I wouldn't swap my children for the world now (even in their teenagery moments...)

The article that I read covered Seamus Heany, Chinua Achebe, Iain Banks, Doris Lessing & Elmore Leonard.  This is it:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/dec/28/literary-giants-died-2013

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« Reply #5212 on: December 28, 2013, 09:23:40 AM »
Oh Rosemary,, you echo me exactly. I truly do not like small children. My husband adored them and was such a good father to the boys. He never tired of playing with them and gave the baths and alot of the work as well. I am in my element when they hit teens.. Then you can talk to them.. but like many of you, I would marry much later and have a career first. I wanted so much to work in a test kitchen, since female chefs were unknown in the 50's..Oh well. a retry would be fun.
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« Reply #5213 on: December 28, 2013, 09:37:25 AM »
I'm so glad to read the above posts on marriage and children. One day my family children,grand children and were sitting around the table just talking about things in general when I said  "if I had my life to live over I would have a career and I wouldn't have children." well you could here a pin drop and everyone looked at me as if I had grown 2 heads. They were shocked, I mean SHOCKED.
I had to scramble around trying to explain why I felt that way and that it had nothing to do with the ones I had.

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« Reply #5214 on: December 28, 2013, 01:53:40 PM »
If I had my life to live over, I would not have agreed to marry my husband until he had finished his degree and begun working in his chosen field.  I can never say this aloud - because, if we hadn't married when we did, I suspect we wouldn't have married at all.

My mother was a university instructor until she married at 33 (in the 1930's).  My paternal grandmother was a kindergarten/elementary teacher until she married at age 30 (in 1890 !!!!)
However, I was caught up in "earning my P.H.T degree" (Putting Hubby Through), which was "the thing to do" in the mid-50's.
  
I have always preferred working with pre-school - 3rd grade children.   My daughter-in-law loves teaching 5th - 8th grade students.  I tell her she earns a star in her crown every day she shows up at school!!!
Isn't it great that there are people who enjoy each age group.   :)  

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« Reply #5215 on: December 28, 2013, 04:37:15 PM »
When I go down the path of if only I had done this or that differently I come up short - what happened not only happened but made me who I am today - no, it did not turn out to be a flower garden and yes, there are many painful wounds and disappointments - but then I have to stop and realize the disappointment is only because I had a vision for my life that would have put me out of the range of many of life lessons I ended up learning.

For me I loved it when my children were ages 3 to 15 - I was at my most creative in the arts - played with them introducing them to their skills in the arts and music - they were my easy ticket to spend time in museums, at the theater, in workshops from learning to throw clay to time in the junk yard to find interesting junk to make into whatever we imagined. I loved reading to them when they were young and later we enjoyed our weekly trip to the library where we scattered to our area of interest. So much of my needlework was created during those years and my extensive experience with cooking happened as they were in their teens and I was able finally to take some serious cooking classes - I learned tons about gardening and designed from scratch one house and designed alterations to another that was being built while we were still 1200 miles away.

Granted a paycheck was not important although I figured out how to sell some of my art work and needleworking teaching skills to afford several trips to Europe and attend workshops all over this nation.

Once the children were on their own although, still living at home - but not tied to me for their view of their world I went into business. At first it was exciting - I was helping others achieve what I valued - a home where they could pursue their best. I was good and made good money - thank goodness, when my life took a jolt that to the family felt like an atom bomb exploded having a successful work experience was all I could hang on to - but then that is another set of issuea - bottom line working for money I find very limiting - very - the focus is always on the business so there is not relaxed joy that allows creative thinking to take over -

I could count on two hands the things I accomplished in the last 34 years other than be good in my career - I have learned much about issues I never dreamed I would be exploring and except for my penchant for reading and cooking and taking the summer after my son died to create a garden that is it. Oh I dabbled here in there but could not spend the time to get good - business was the focus. Even wanting to share needlework skills the business side quickly takes over.

In fact because of the lack - I kept thinking, tomorrow I would be back to pursuing my creative side, that never happens while focused on "a" job or "a" career, I am struggling now to figure out how to have a business AND have time for making my the art boxes, getting back to my music, fiber arts, spending an hour or more each day building and maintaining a garden, replanting some fruit trees, enlarging my herb, finally doing the hardanger table runners, writing poetry where I can go to the monthly meetings and not have to cancel the last minute because a contract came in take time to make the jeweled purses I can see in my head and sell them to the young crowd that wants something on their wrist to hold their cell a credit card and a lipstick when they flock to the live music venues each week -

I have so many ideas but cannot put unclaimed hours towards any of it because a client may need this or that or the schedule of other required vendors and keeping up with the constant changes in the contracts -

Yes, creativity can be explored in business but to an end point of creating profit rather than for the joy of creating. My Grand right now is designing a new brochure but he cannot be as creative as his imagination automatically leads since the business needs their brochure by next week.

I always found my children and their friends to flow with the demands of the body that enter all our endeavors and found I accomplished more and explored far more when I have little children in my immediate surrounds with no focus demands because of a profit margin.
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« Reply #5216 on: December 29, 2013, 09:41:18 AM »
Barb, sounds as if you accomplished an enormous amount of activity over the years. I have been doing the list making things and realize that part of my impatience is that I have little joy in my life. I need to do some things for pure joy.. now to figure out what.
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« Reply #5217 on: December 29, 2013, 11:40:11 AM »
Steph and Barb, your joy will probably appear when you least expect it.  
"When someone you love dies, you never quite get over it.  You just learn how to go on without them. But always keep them safely tucked in your heart."

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« Reply #5218 on: December 29, 2013, 08:14:48 PM »
Thank you each and all for being honest.

I like ages four to nine best.

Before four they are too demanding, albeit adorable.

After nine they are getting bored with what you suggest for fun and they want to do their own thing.

I like them again starting at about age forty.

But still and all, I think I could have contributed less angst to our species and perhaps, I would hope, more towards our improvement as a species had I curbed my impulses to make babies.

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« Reply #5219 on: December 30, 2013, 08:55:04 AM »
AhMaryPage, you always say it so well. In the 50's however you were truly expected to marry and produce.. I just wish I had been more strong minded.
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« Reply #5220 on: December 30, 2013, 09:27:08 AM »

Steph

That's true. I met my husband when I was 14. and we got engaged when i was 16, he pushed his name up for military service so that we could get married when I was 18 and he was 21. So I spent my teen years waiting for him to come home.  Had my first child at 20. I was an only childso really didn't know much about kids and babies. I love my children out course but I sure missed out on my  0wn growing up and just doing for myself. although I did get a college when I was in my forties.

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« Reply #5221 on: December 30, 2013, 10:10:55 AM »
Good on you, Jeriron!

I am impressed!

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« Reply #5222 on: December 30, 2013, 12:58:39 PM »
Jeriron -- My marriage age was the same as your's and I had my first baby when I was 23. I did not want to go to college at that time, but have greatly regretted that decision. But if I had to chose, I'd do it all over again. I have a wonderful husband and family.

MaryPage -- I loved your comment, "I like them again starting at about age forty." This is so true! Steph is correct in that you really have a way with words!
~ Carol ~

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« Reply #5223 on: December 30, 2013, 01:17:23 PM »
From MaryPage:  "I like them again starting at about age forty.

"But still and all, I think I could have contributed less angst to our species and perhaps, I would hope, more towards our improvement as a species had I curbed my impulses to make babies."

Had to laugh!  Thank goodness for birth control pills!  I was able stop at having just two.  (Am going to read the new book about Benjamin Franklin's sister.  That poor woman had twelve, all of whom except one died. Book of Ages; the life and opinions of Jane Franklin by Jill Lapore)

Marj
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« Reply #5224 on: December 30, 2013, 02:40:36 PM »
Marj.

No you are not alone on your feelings on marriage. I did it knowing it was wrong for me. However I gave it a try. 2 daughters which I enjoyed although I was not a baby lover when little ones. Enjoyed them older. Now they are mothers , grandmothers  both wrapped up in their grand babies. All they think about. Not to happy with me because I don't want to be around them gushing away all the time. Don't wish to live by them.

Been on my own now since 1965. Life single been ideal. Met nice men, 3 proposed.but I went by my feelings. Prefer to live alone.  Over the years women friends said I would be sorry (even though they were not that happy being tied down as they called it.) but now 4 out of the 5 , 2 been widows for 10 years. 2have husbands with Alzheimer's . Husbands at home. One is O..k. Just still bored.

Only thing I did wrong was retire to fast.  I miss working a lot. But the way companies are now and it's sort of Dog Eat dog. Now I doubt I would enjoy it.

Would have liked to have been a Chef instead of Accountant. I loved cooking still.

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« Reply #5225 on: December 31, 2013, 08:58:05 AM »
A female chef was unheard of in the 50's.. Even Julia never tried to work in a restaurant,, Strictly a male professiion in the kitchens for years. I would have loved it. One of the things I miss the most as a lonely widow is cooking for someone.
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« Reply #5226 on: December 31, 2013, 08:03:24 PM »
HAPPY NEW YEAR AND WISHING YOU ALL OF THE BEST IN 2014.

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« Reply #5227 on: January 01, 2014, 09:00:31 AM »
Happy New Year. I noted Ginnys post in the library and am thinking hard about my definition of happiness.. I also thought that the Readers Digest was a rehash of other articles and stopped reading it many years ago. I will try to track it down.
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« Reply #5228 on: January 01, 2014, 10:32:36 AM »
Gave up on The Readers Digest decades ago when I realized how very misogynistic it was in its choices of articles.  We women were all to be of the traditionalist sort:  barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen cooking for our men.
Grew up reading it every month, but when I had my epiphany, searched through my large collection and realized there was no call for mercy.  Tossed the whole lot and never looked back.
It is pure propaganda, and trying to inoculate the entire populace to that way of seeing this world of ours.

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« Reply #5229 on: January 01, 2014, 02:40:18 PM »
Steph.

Yes I looked into it in 1950 in the u.k. It was hard to get into any of the schools. Training was long also. Had a male friend took 4years and then 2 more finishing in Switzerland. That part expensive.

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« Reply #5230 on: January 01, 2014, 03:56:08 PM »
Regarding Reader's Digest---I used to enjoy the word game and the jokes and the occasional first person interesting narrative at the back of the magazine.

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« Reply #5231 on: January 01, 2014, 04:05:04 PM »
:) I think  Reader's Digest has changed a little bit. They still have some of the old areas and I really have enjoyed the book excerpts in some of the previous issues.   Here is the new editor:
here is the beginning of her bio found here: http://www.rd.com/mediakit/ed-chief.html



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Liz Vaccariello is the Chief Content Officer and Editor-in-Chief for the Reader's Digest brand. She is responsible for driving editorial direction and product strategy across the brand's media platforms. They include: Reader's Digest, the fifth largest magazine in the United States with a readership of more than 26 million; digital media channels such as ReadersDigest.com and editions for the iPad, Nook and Amazon Kindle, on which Reader's Digest continues to be the #1 selling magazine; and books, of which 15.8 million are sold each year.[/color]

As the new face of the Reader's Digest brand, Liz brings decades of experience as a trusted, authoritative speaker across multiple media platforms, demonstrating a deep expertise on issues such as health, food and family, among other areas. Liz uses her expertise to select the best content in health, home, family, food, finance and humor to share with consumers to simplify and enrich their lives and help them open the door to new possibilities.

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For years, Liz has been a staple on the network morning shows Today and Good Morning America, and has appeared monthly on Rachael Ray to talk about food and lifestyle content featured in the Every Day with Rachael Ray magazine. In 2009, she began guest hosting in the fifth chair on the second season of The Doctors. She has appeared on The View, Regis & Kelly, Dr. Phil, Extra and two seasons of The Biggest Loser. Liz also is a five-time New York Times bestselling author, including the 1-million-sold Flat Belly Diet! She went on to write the 2010 follow-up to Flat Belly Diet!, 400 Calorie Fix.



I think she is beginning to make a big difference in the magazine. I found the article What the Lottery Winners won't tell you  interesting this time but this issue is less interesting than the previous two, which were really good. She may need to find her feet.



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« Reply #5232 on: January 01, 2014, 07:02:38 PM »
Beautiful Woman. Smart lady also.

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« Reply #5233 on: January 01, 2014, 08:11:28 PM »
I was always glad to see  a copy of Readers Digest offered at the dr's waiting room. Nothing too long or too serious and I liked the funny stories that folks sent in to the humor columns.  

Long ago, when she was thinking about marriage, I  told my daughter that I would marry much later in life and certainly I would grow up before that.  It's too hard doing both at the same time! I must also say I am a much better gramma
than I was a mom. And now a great-gramma!  I just think maybe someone will hear my wise comments eventually!!  Hahahaha!
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« Reply #5234 on: January 02, 2014, 09:28:14 AM »
I guess I had better hang in there for Great Gramma, since my 18 year old granddaughter is not listening to grown ups recently.
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« Reply #5235 on: January 06, 2014, 12:59:29 PM »
I've just been looking thru my library's list of Jack London books  (after being reminded by the London title that Frybabe posted recently in Blanko) and found a couple I'd not heard of, but look interesting and which I've added to my colossal TBR list.

THE ROAD by Jack London  (100 pp)  Per book desc., "The Road" is Jack London's collection of stories from his life as a hobo.  In this entertaining collection of tales and autobiographical essays, London relates every aspect of the hobo's life -- from catching a train to cadging a meal.  He tells the tricks that hoboes used to evade train crews, and reminisces about his travels with Kelly's Army.  Jack London later credited his story-telling skill to the hobo's necessity of concocting tales to coax meals from sympathetic strangers.  London's "The Road" is quite likely the inspiration for Jack Kerouac's more famous rendition, written more than 50 years later."

THE IRON HEEL (224 pp)  Per Amazon reader, "The novel follows Ernest Everhard, and his wife Avery, who is the putative author of the memoir, as they try to establish a socialist revolution in a world that is in the death grip of Capitalism.

From a historical perspective, this book is fascinating in that it seems to offer a glimpse into the worldview of the Left prior to World War One. The novel has more than its fair share of polemical moments when London preaches the Socialist gospel through the mouth of Everhard. We learn, for example, that capitalism is doomed to failure as it invests its surplus wealth into the development of foreign markets, which in turn become competitors, leading to a crisis where no further investment is possible. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.   (Hmmm....   sounds a bit like what's going on today... )  The rich, who control the governments, pass legislation eliminating the independent middle class and reducing the poor to a state of serfdom."

JOHN BARLEYCORN; "ALCOHOLIC MEMOIRS"  (363 pp)  Per Amazon reader, "John Barleycorn is a tremondous book.  It details how London raised himself from incredible childhood poverty and lower class surroundings while still a teen, engaging in rugged, manly adverntures that were simply amazing. This book also relates how London's love of books changed his life, and it will amaze you that his knowledge is so broad (throughout the book London dazzles us with philosophical qoutes and insights).  Most of all though, this book is about alcoholism. London had a strong liking for intoxication.  However, one would be wrong to think of this book as pro-drinking.   He is fairly fanatical in his dislike of alcohol and what it eventually did to him and other young men of his age."

Marj

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« Reply #5236 on: January 07, 2014, 08:51:12 AM »
I am still working on the Five days In Memorial from Katrina.. It is h ard hard hard to read. I am now at the after rescue and note that a lot of people who were not caught up in this horror had a lot to say about what and how it was handled. A lot of survivors who left when they could complained about relatives who were definitely in end of life thought that someone ( not them) should be able to rescue.. Just the having to get the patients down by hand in dark stairways 6 flights of stairs must have been beyond horrible.
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« Reply #5237 on: January 07, 2014, 10:59:43 AM »
Steph, I'm currently reading Five Days at Memorial also, although skipping around and reading some of the last pages first.  You're right.  It is a hard read. But it certainly brings to light a topic which needs a lot of discussion and that is emergency preparedness, allocation of resources, the need for planning well ahead of any disaster.

One of the later chapters discusses the situation at New York City's Bellevue during Superstorm Sandy.  The power supply had deteriorated to the point where there were only SIX outlets for ventilators.  And a lot more than six patients.

So who is now determining the future guidelines?  The experts?  The medical community?  The public?

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« Reply #5238 on: January 08, 2014, 09:05:54 AM »
Yes, that is what I am bringing from the book thus far. That there needs to be a very hard look at what can and cannot be done in that sort of emergency. People need to look at this problem. Not blame the medical community who try their best, but dont want or need to be god.
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« Reply #5239 on: January 08, 2014, 02:40:27 PM »
I think for many when something beyond their control brings disastrous painful results they cannot cope with the feeling of helplessness that brings them pain they do not want to feel so they turn the pain to either anger or blame - to get angry is to do something and if they feel helpless to know what to do than blame is their only shield against their own feelings - if they could not make a difference someone should have been able to and that someone is often who we hire without realizing the limits of the service we hire.

Few to none want to face this to even make a plan for the future - it means having to accept that there is no plan and that what happened could not be avoided which means accepting the pain and helplessness with no one to blame and so it is a ring around the rosy that will take professionals to create a disaster plan that will probably take on political overtones.

Using the National Guard was a good plan however, their numbers were so low with most units in Iraq - not sure how the Guard assisted those affected by Sandy - Sandy did not seem to have the human debasement that the levee breach during Katrina subjected those who were stranded in the flood.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe